No, Groucho... CLOWN!
Posted on 08/20/2016 7:45:03 AM PDT by Salvation
LOL. That's an interesting description of Hell, but very appropriate. I don't see how people can sleep at night, knowing they are not saved. The everlasting barbecue awaits those who believe in salvation by works There is enough information out there so they can find the truth. If they don't, that's on them, but it will be interesting to see them try to bluff their way into Heaven. It ain't gonna cut the mustard bro.
Verse 1:
Alas, and did my Savior bleed?
And did my Sovereign die?
Would He devote that sacred head
For such a worm as I?
Chorus:
At the cross, at the cross where I first saw the light,
And the burden of my heart rolled away,
It was there by faith I received my sight,
And now I am happy all the day!
Verse 2:
Was it for sins that I had done
He groaned upon the tree?
Amazing pity! grace unknown!
And love beyond degree!
Verse 3:
Well might the sun in darkness hide,
And shut His glories in,
When Christ, the mighty Maker, died
For man, His creature’s sin.
Verse 4:
Thus might I hide my blushing face
While His dear cross appears.
Dissolve my heart in thankfulness,
And melt mine eyes to tears.
Verse 5:
But drops of grief can ne’er repay
The debt of love I owe;
Here, Lord, I give myself away,
’Tis all that I can do.
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I give myself away
Nothing more; nothing less; nothing else; by faith alone without my own efforts lest I should boast; I am nothing, He is All.
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The way the RC system basically works is that an RC infant (typically) is made good enough for Heaven via the proper act of sprinkling (effecting "infused charity"), though the requirement for baptism is wholehearted repentant faith, (Acts 2:28; 8:36,37), and the faith behind baptism/obedience is what effect purifying the heat, (Acts 15:9) while neither being innocent or cleansed translates to perfection of character and overcomes the attachment to sin of the flesh. (Rm. 8:7) And which requires the testing that this life affords, but which perfection is one of the reasons given for Rome's purgatory, besides atoning for sins they did not sufficiently atone for on earth.
And since the average Catholic does not possess that baptismal state at death then the majority must go to purgatory until they once again become good enough to enter Heaven (and atone for sins).
Which is basically salvation under the Law, but with more grace given so that one may practically become good enough for Heaven, in contrast to being declared righteous by faith, (Rm. 4:5,6) and made accepted in the Beloved on His account, (Eph. 1:6) with immediate spiritual access now into the holy of holies, (Heb. 10:19) and being forever with the Lord at death or His return, (2 Corinthians 5:8; Phil. 1:23,24; 1Thes. 4:17; Acts 7:59) and with the next transformative event in conformity to Christ after this life being that receiving our "house from Heaven" at the Lord's return.
And at which time is the only postmortem suffering for the believer, that of the judgment seat of Christ, that being the suffering of the lost of rewards based on the manner of workmanship one built the church with, with every believer being rewarded "according to his own labor, " even though they are already with the Lord.
After which will follow the great white throne judgment (which the elect assist in), in which the lost which be sentenced according to their works, even though they are already in Hell. See here on 1Co. 3:8ff by the grace of God.
Thus, faced with the reality that the particular judgment awaits the Lord's return, and thus eliminates the 1Cor. 3 from being purgatory, then the RC, if he is bound to defend his church no matter what the cost to credulity, is driven to actually contend that the Lord's return - which is a distinct event in Scripture, and required for the particular judgment such as Lk. 12:32-48 (invoked to support purgatory) speaks of, can be said to be when one dies. Which is simply another example of Cath abuse of Scripture, forcing it to support Rome as a servant, not its master.
And thus such unreasonable devotees can render themselves unfit for more present attempts to bring them to acknowledge the manifest Truth.
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; (2 Timothy 2:25)
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What does the BIBLE say happens to a person after death ?
Like THIS fella's??
1 Now a certain man was ill, Lazarus of Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 It was Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was ill. 3 So the sisters sent to him, saying, “Lord, he whom you love is ill.” 4 But when Jesus heard it he said, “This illness does not lead to death. It is for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”
5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6 So, when he heard that Lazarus[a] was ill, he stayed two days longer in the place where he was. 7 Then after this he said to the disciples, “Let us go to Judea again.” 8 The disciples said to him, “Rabbi, the Jews were just now seeking to stone you, and are you going there again?” 9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” 11 After saying these things, he said to them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him.” 12 The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” 13 Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus told them plainly, “Lazarus has died, 15 and for your sake I am glad that I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.” 16 So Thomas, called the Twin,[b] said to his fellow disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”
17 Now when Jesus came, he found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb four days. 18 Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles[c] off, 19 and many of the Jews had come to Martha and Mary to console them concerning their brother. 20 So when Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went and met him, but Mary remained seated in the house. 21 Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that whatever you ask from God, God will give you.” 23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.[d] Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” 27 She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.”
28 When she had said this, she went and called her sister Mary, saying in private, “The Teacher is here and is calling for you.” 29 And when she heard it, she rose quickly and went to him. 30 Now Jesus had not yet come into the village, but was still in the place where Martha had met him. 31 When the Jews who were with her in the house, consoling her, saw Mary rise quickly and go out, they followed her, supposing that she was going to the tomb to weep there. 32 Now when Mary came to where Jesus was and saw him, she fell at his feet, saying to him, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.” 33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come with her also weeping, he was deeply moved[e] in his spirit and greatly troubled. 34 And he said, “Where have you laid him?” They said to him, “Lord, come and see.” 35 Jesus wept. 36 So the Jews said, “See how he loved him!” 37 But some of them said, “Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man also have kept this man from dying?”
38 Then Jesus, deeply moved again, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it. 39 Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of the dead man, said to him, “Lord, by this time there will be an odor, for he has been dead four days.” 40 Jesus said to her, “Did I not tell you that if you believed you would see the glory of God?” 41 So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.” 43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out.” 44 The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”
45 Many of the Jews therefore, who had come with Mary and had seen what he did, believed in him, 46 but some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47 So the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the council and said, “What are we to do? For this man performs many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.” 49 But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all. 50 Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish.” 51 He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad. 53 So from that day on they made plans to put him to death.
54 Jesus therefore no longer walked openly among the Jews, but went from there to the region near the wilderness, to a town called Ephraim, and there he stayed with the disciples.
55 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves. 56 They were looking for[f] Jesus and saying to one another as they stood in the temple, “What do you think? That he will not come to the feast at all?” 57 Now the chief priests and the Pharisees had given orders that if anyone knew where he was, he should let them know, so that they might arrest him.
Can ya show some scripture about this ?
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The only verse I can find to indicate that this is possible is the one about the thief on the cross:
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1 Cor. 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
Q. E. D.
No, Groucho... CLOWN!
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