Posted on 08/20/2016 7:45:03 AM PDT by Salvation
LOL. I am so glad I am closed minded, especially on the plan of salvation. 🙉🙊🙊
Since I assume you’re speaking in good faith, here goes.
I have absolutely no idea what a tagline is, never having created or used one. All I do is sign in w/my username and password, peruse the comments on the Forum and if a post interests me, I press the reply key beneath and respond. End of story. I have neither technical interest nor skill in internet dynamics as I consider it all hoodoo-voodoo mumbo-jumbo.
As for this unitary fandango:
On 8/23 @ 5:34 pm, I posted # 546, verbatim, below:
“If you’re looking for an argument or a urinary contest, I have no interest. Got it? “
On 8/23 @ 7:05 pm, I received post # 557 from somebody w/username, Resettozero; verbatim, below:
“(If you’re looking for an argument or a unitary contest. I have no interest. Do you understand?)
You mean......like.....with a Unitarian?”
After that, this malarkey somehow took on a life of it’s own. No matter, as I have lost all further interest.
I don't know, but maybe they can take Taiwan first. 😃
Whether you know it or not, you did create more than one now. Just look after your own name on any of your own posts. You did that bro. Perhaps accidently.
Go back to chess with pigeons.
If I did, it certainly was an accident, as I didn’t even see the damn thing.
I've noticed that as I write a message, it occasionally jumps to the tag line. I've erased quite a few.
Jesus was also. John 14:6
Yes, the parousia (return) of the Messiah is yet to come and is not at one's death.
However, I do not find it persuasive to insist this parable is an allegorical tale that has not happened yet, nor am I persuaded the Apostle Paul did not write definitively and truthfully here about what it means to die. I find that the Messiah's many warnings to watch and be ready are for every generation, not only the generation to whom He will appear when He returns to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. Each person should view those types of warnings as applicable in one's lifetime, whether the Lord returns before one's physical death or not.
This a a Catholic priest's explanation.
And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God. For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. We are Christ's Ambassadors Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
What do Catholics believe happens to a person after death ? Question from Maria on 12/30/2001:
What do Catholics believe happens to a person after death ?
Answer by Fr. John Echert on 12/31/2001:
Based upon Sacred Scripture and the teaching of the Church, we can say the following about death and what follows. At the moment of death, the soul is separated from the body and no longer sustains order within the natural body; as a result, the body begins to corrupt and left to its own will decompose. The soul, however, is immortal and never ceases to exist, once created. Immediately upon death, the soul of each person is judged by the Lord, either to eternal life or the damnation of hell. For those damned to hell, such a soul immediately experiences hell thereafter. For a soul judged to heaven, if the soul is truly holy then it may immediately experience the fullness of heaven. We call such souls “the saints.” For those who are judged to eternal life yet still have some attachment to sin or there is some temporal punishment due for sin, such a soul experiences purgatory in the manner that God determines. Purgatory is really a blessing, for not only does the soul know that it is destined for heaven but purgatory purges anything from the soul which would limit the vision and enjoyment of God in heaven. Eventually, when the end of the world comes about, there will be a resurrection of the bodies of all the dead and final judgment of all souls and the angels in which we will all see the justice and mercy of God. Our bodies will be resurrected and body and soul will be rejoined, for to be a human person means to have both body and soul. This is true both for the saved and the damned, and both will experience either eternal happiness or eternal suffering in both body and soul.
Luke, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses sixteen to twenty one,
Luke, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses sixteen to twenty one,
Second Corinthians, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses one to eleven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
boldness mine
Here’s hoping he has a proofreader. ;o)
I was using coming as an alternate meaning, as I explained, and not the actual parousia (second coming) of the Lord; but rather that when one dies the soul is separated from the body and judged by God prior to the resurrection of the body. This view allows for all the range of punishment of servants affirmed by the Messiah.
Neither Lazarus nor the rich man saw the Lord's coming in Lk. 16:19ff, which would have released Lazarus to be with the Lord and rewarded according to his works, and not simply being with the Lord, and would also subsequently result in the rich man being sentenced in accordance with his guilt (Rv. 20:10-15) versus simply suffering a general punishment in Hell.
Trying to make the Lord's coming into one's death simply is not what Scripture does (need i actually present all the verses: 1Cor. 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:31-46; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4) and is a desperate attempt to raise a ship that has already sunk. That you must continue to resort to such examples what cultist devotion can do, and as said, it must come to end. Further attempts thus warrant being ignored.
Thank you. I’m becoming more aware of the site characteristics.
Yes, Jesus was rather closed minded about error. He didn't tolerate it. It is either His way, or no way. I doubt He likes false religions much. 😀
So if you don't believe one's death puts one in the presence of the LORD for judgement; do you believe in a form of soul sleep ?
Neither saw the return of the LORD Jesus Christ to the Mount of Olives but both were judged by the LORD when they passed from this life.
Yes Dan, I keep seeing this infernal doctrine of salvation by works here. I don't accept, even for one second, in some sort of "you must wait till you die to see if you pass judgment, and go to Heaven, or fail judgment and go to Hell." Not for a second.
Heaven and Hell, for the rich man and Lazarus, were determined during their lifetimes, not at their deaths. If someone waits till they die, to see if they make it to Heaven, it's virtually an iron clad guarantee they will end up in Hell.
My opinion is, a saved, righteous person appears before the judgment seat of Christ, to receive his rewards. An unsaved, unrighteousness person appears at the great white throne to receive his correct, measured amount of punishment, but their eternal destiny had already been decided during their lives on earth.
Old Testament saints were saved exactly the same way New Testament saints are. By faith. Of course, our definition of faith, and a false religion's definition of faith, are as different as night and day, but maybe that is for a different thread.
I am just not into salvation by works. All it does, is get people into Hell. That, however, is on them.
AF_VET_1967 to 1987
Why do you think we have hymnals full of songs no RCC can sing without violating the very substance of his dogma, which is pride and covetousness. They have covetousness ingrained from infancy for a "salvation" which they are too proud to accept as unearned, offered to them while they were yet totally depraved sin-criminals. So they stay that way and slave that way (but only whenever it suits their confessor), fit only for the everlasting barbecue.
Here's one of my favorite songs of assurance, bearing a truth that they refuse to acknowledge:
"Naught have I gotten but what I received"
Verse 1:
Naught have I gotten but what I received;
Grace hath bestowed it since I have believed;
Boasting excluded, pride I abase;
I’m only a sinner saved by grace!
Chorus:
Only a sinner saved by grace!
Only a sinner saved by grace!
This is my story, to God be the glory,
I’m only a sinner saved by grace!
Verse 2:
Once I was foolish, and sin ruled my heart,
Causing my footsteps from God to depart;
Jesus hath found me, happy my case;
I now am a sinner saved by grace!
Verse 3:
Tears unavailing, no merit had I;
Mercy had saved me, or else I must die;
Sin had alarmed me, fearing God’s face;
But now I’m a sinner saved by grace!
Verse 4:
Suffer a sinner whose heart overflows,
Loving his Savior to tell what he knows;
Once more to tell it, would I embrace—
I’m only a sinner saved by grace!
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Mark, you know it, and I know it, but who will believe?
Only those who admit that they are worthless, dirty, self-drunken rats, not worth a flyspeck in pepper.
That can't be a Catholic, who was "saved" by infant baptism, and therefore cannot be such a rotten condemned heart-hardened criminal sociopath, can he?
But as for me, I couldn't even have crawled to the Cross; but through the mighty power of the Word, God planted it right in my heart!
Click here to hear the joyous, spiritual melody of the song!
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