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To: daniel1212
The Scriptural Lord's return in Scripture is yet to come, (1Cor. 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:31-46; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4) and is not at death.

Yes, the parousia (return) of the Messiah is yet to come and is not at one's death.

However, I do not find it persuasive to insist this parable is an allegorical tale that has not happened yet, nor am I persuaded the Apostle Paul did not write definitively and truthfully here about what it means to die. I find that the Messiah's many warnings to watch and be ready are for every generation, not only the generation to whom He will appear when He returns to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. Each person should view those types of warnings as applicable in one's lifetime, whether the Lord returns before one's physical death or not.

This a a Catholic priest's explanation.



What do Catholics believe happens to a person after death ? Question from Maria on 12/30/2001:

What do Catholics believe happens to a person after death ?

Answer by Fr. John Echert on 12/31/2001:
Based upon Sacred Scripture and the teaching of the Church, we can say the following about death and what follows. At the moment of death, the soul is separated from the body and no longer sustains order within the natural body; as a result, the body begins to corrupt and left to its own will decompose. The soul, however, is immortal and never ceases to exist, once created. Immediately upon death, the soul of each person is judged by the Lord, either to eternal life or the damnation of hell. For those damned to hell, such a soul immediately experiences hell thereafter. For a soul judged to heaven, if the soul is truly holy then it may immediately experience the fullness of heaven. We call such souls “the saints.” For those who are judged to eternal life yet still have some attachment to sin or there is some temporal punishment due for sin, such a soul experiences purgatory in the manner that God determines. Purgatory is really a blessing, for not only does the soul know that it is destined for heaven but purgatory purges anything from the soul which would limit the vision and enjoyment of God in heaven. Eventually, when the end of the world comes about, there will be a resurrection of the bodies of all the dead and final judgment of all souls and the angels in which we will all see the justice and mercy of God. Our bodies will be resurrected and body and soul will be rejoined, for to be a human person means to have both body and soul. This is true both for the saved and the damned, and both will experience either eternal happiness or eternal suffering in both body and soul.

And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. We are Christ's Ambassadors Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Luke, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses sixteen to twenty one,

Luke, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses sixteen to twenty one,

Second Corinthians, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses one to eleven,

as authorized, but not authored, by King James
boldness mine

831 posted on 08/25/2016 7:02:32 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
However, I do not find it persuasive to insist this parable is an allegorical tale that has not happened yet, nor am I persuaded the Apostle Paul did not write definitively and truthfully here about what it means to die. Apostle Paul did indeed write definitively and truthfully here about what it means to die, which refutes purgatory and the judgment seat of Christ being it, and while Lk. 12:32-48 uses allegory it clearly speaks of the future event when the the lord will come and reward every soul according to his works, with again, the only location mentioned for the unprepared being with the lost, and nothing mentioned of some servants having to atone for sins commencing at death because they did not do so while on earth, and after which they enter Heaven.

Neither Lazarus nor the rich man saw the Lord's coming in Lk. 16:19ff, which would have released Lazarus to be with the Lord and rewarded according to his works, and not simply being with the Lord, and would also subsequently result in the rich man being sentenced in accordance with his guilt (Rv. 20:10-15) versus simply suffering a general punishment in Hell.

Trying to make the Lord's coming into one's death simply is not what Scripture does (need i actually present all the verses: 1Cor. 4:5; 2Tim. 4:1,8; Rev.11:18; Mt. 25:31-46; 1Pt. 1:7; 5:4) and is a desperate attempt to raise a ship that has already sunk. That you must continue to resort to such examples what cultist devotion can do, and as said, it must come to end. Further attempts thus warrant being ignored.

834 posted on 08/25/2016 7:51:50 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: af_vet_1981
What do Catholics believe happens to a person after death ?

What does the BIBLE say happens to a person after death ?



Psalm 13:3
Look on me and answer, Lord my God. Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death,
 
Psalm 90:5
Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death— they are like the new grass of the morning:
 
Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
 
John 11:12-13
His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.”
Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
 

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Listen, I tell you a mystery:
We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
 

Ephesians 5:14
This is why it is said: “Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”
 

1 Thessalonians 4:13
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
 

849 posted on 08/26/2016 3:25:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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