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1 posted on 07/30/2016 4:23:16 AM PDT by NYer
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Catholic ping!


2 posted on 07/30/2016 4:23:42 AM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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Protestant ping


3 posted on 07/30/2016 4:29:45 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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Above link, no worky .


4 posted on 07/30/2016 4:34:28 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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“you shall not murder a child, whether it be born or unborn”..... Interesting


5 posted on 07/30/2016 4:35:44 AM PDT by high info voter (Liberal leftists would have "un-friended" Paul Revere!)
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http://www.thedidache.com/


6 posted on 07/30/2016 5:08:00 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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The main value of this treatise is that it provides us with extra-biblical data regarding the institutions and life of the earliest Christian communities.

I would say the main value goes much deeper than that.

11 posted on 07/30/2016 6:29:42 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Diversity is Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama sharing the same jail cell.)
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NYer, thank you for this post; and to iowamark for further posting of the text. Had often heard of the Didache, but had never taken the time to look at it.


12 posted on 07/30/2016 6:40:34 AM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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+1....

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17 posted on 07/30/2016 7:23:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints.)
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When I was a boy, Orthodox “catechism “ was part of Greek school. The first theology we were taught was from the Didache.


19 posted on 07/30/2016 2:40:18 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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After the text was lost for years, the Metropolitan of Istanbul, Philoteos Bryennios found a Greek copy in 1873 and published it in 1883. The copy had been written 1056.

What do they go on to prove the Greek copy written 1000 years AFTER the time the original was supposed to have been written is an accurate copy? And how could such an important document - if it really was that important to the church - be lost for all that time? I think whatever the Didache states should be taken reservedly and not be used to base church doctrines and practices on.

21 posted on 07/30/2016 9:59:07 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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The Doctrine of the Twelve Apostles: the Didaché

Which is more Catholic sophistry, for the sure Doctrine of the Twelve Apostles is what the Holy Spirit inspired men to write, and if the Didaché is apostolic doctrine then Catholics are guilty of not obeying it.

27 posted on 07/31/2016 2:52:15 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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The Didaché, a brief, anonymous Christian treatise, was written between the years 65 and 80 (according to most scholars) and held in the highest esteem by the early Church Fathers.

It is considered that the Didaché, also known as “the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles,” or simply “The Teaching” (“Didaché” means “teaching” in Greek), is a letter that belongs to the very first Christian corpus of literary production. It is considered the first and oldest written catechism, and as such has been respected and preserved to this day.

 

Both the author and the place where the Didaché was written remain unknown. The original text of the Didaché has survived in a single manuscript, the Codex Hierosolymitanus. Some scholars speak of a compiler instead of an author, who might have also written down some teachings directly from apostolic preaching, either in Syria or Egypt. After the text was lost for years, the Metropolitan of Istanbul, Philoteos Bryennios found a Greek copy in 1873 and published it in 1883. The copy had been written 1056.

The main value of this treatise is that it provides us with extra-biblical data regarding the institutions and life of the earliest Christian communities.

There are very few quotations from the Old Testament to be found in the Didaché; instead, the author speaks of the “Gospel of the Lord” (without specifying which of the Synoptics he or she might be referring to), and quotes and alludes to around twenty sayings or statements of Jesus Christ: ten of them literally, and others in paraphrase. Moreover, the author seems to ignore the Gospel of John, and none of St. Paul’s epistles is formally cited.

 


Sounds like something that; if you hung your hat on it; you might have to pick it up from the floor.

 

 

32 posted on 07/31/2016 6:15:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Uh... YOU can give them YOUR e-mail address if you want!!




Tony Jones's book, The Teaching of the Twelve, unpacks this ancient document with insight and perspective, and traces the life of a small house church in Missouri that is trying to live according to its precepts.

Listen to Tony Jones read the complete text, or download a pdf, or read the complete text online.

33 posted on 07/31/2016 6:18:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Try other places on the Web instead...


For those who INSIST that the present day MASS is the same as days of old....   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didache

 

Eucharist[edit]

The Didache includes two primitive and unusual prayers for the Eucharist ("thanksgiving"),[3] which is the central act of Christian worship.[39] It is the earliest text to refer to this rite as the Eucharist.[39]

Chapter 9 begins:

Now concerning the Eucharist, give thanks this way. First, concerning the cup:
We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which Thou madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever..

And concerning the broken bread:

We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which Thou madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever.
But let no one eat or drink of your Eucharist, unless they have been baptized into the name of the Lord; for concerning this also the Lord has said, "Give not that which is holy to the dogs." (Roberts)

The Didache basically describes the same ritual as the one that took place in Corinth.[40] As with Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians, the Didache confirms that the Lord's supper was literally a meal, probably taking place in a "house church."[41] The order of cup and bread differs both from present-day Christian practice and from that in the New Testament accounts of the Last Supper,[42] of which, again unlike almost all present-day Eucharistic celebrations, the Didache makes no mention. Scholars once traced the Eucharistic prayers back to Jesus' words at the Last Supper, but contemporary scholars emphasize Jewish and gentile sources instead.[41]

Revelation 22:17 (KJV), to which the prayer in Didache 10 bears some similarity.

Chapter 10 gives a thanksgiving after a meal. The contents of the meal are not indicated: chapter 9 does not exclude other elements as well that the cup and bread, which are the only ones it mentions, and chapter 10, whether it was originally a separate document or continues immediately the account in chapter 9, mentions no particular elements, not even wine and bread. Instead it speaks of the "spiritual food and drink and life eternal through Thy Servant" that it distinguishes from the "food and drink (given) to men for enjoyment that they might give thanks to (God)". After a doxology, as before, come the apocalyptic exclamations: "Let grace come, and let this world pass away. Hosanna to the God (Son) of David! If any one is holy, let him come; if any one is not so, let him repent. Maranatha. Amen". The prayer is reminiscent of Revelation 22:17–20 and 1Corinthians 16:22.[43]

These prayers make no reference to the redemptive death of Christ, or remembrance, as formulated by Paul the Apostle in 1Corinthians 11:23–34, see also Atonement in Christianity. Didache 10 doesn't even use the word "Christ," which appears only one other time in the whole tract.

John Dominic Crossan endorses John W. Riggs' 1984 The Second Century article for the proposition that 'there are two quite separate eucharistic celebrations given in Didache 9–10, with the earlier one now put in second place."[44] The section beginning at 10.1 is a reworking of the Jewish birkat ha-mazon, a three-strophe prayer at the conclusion of a meal, which includes a blessing of God for sustaining the universe, a blessing of God who gives the gifts of food, earth, and covenant, and a prayer for the restoration of Jerusalem; the content is "Christianized", but the form remains Jewish.[45] It is similar to the Syrian Church eucharist rite of the Holy Qurbana of Addai and Mari, belonging to "a primordial era when the euchology of the Church had not yet inserted the Institution Narrative in the text of the Eucharistic Prayer."[46]

34 posted on 07/31/2016 6:22:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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