[Mrs. Don-o]

Again (sigh) no Catholics see this as Mary *instead if* Christ, Mary as a rival to Christ, a double to Christ, or a substitute for Christ.

"To Christ Through Mary" would be the overriding theme, and it's a legitimate one. Why? Bcause we obviously approach Christ through His Incarnation, and His Incarnation is through Mary. Just as you could legitimately say,

• "To Christ Through the Jewish People" (since, as Christ says, "Salvation is from the Jews" -- (John 4:22) and we could say

• "To Christ Through the Church" ---since the Church is the Body of Christ, or

• "To Christ Through the Bible" --- since Jesus is the Word of God (personal) while the Bible is the Word of God (in writing).

• And there are many other examples parallel to this. The meanings are not identical ---- they are distinguishable in rank, in kind, in degree --- but they are comparable. They "rhyme".

Every Marian doctrine or devotion is about what God does ("The Almighty has done great things for me.")

None of it presupposes Mary as in independent actor, a Lone Ranger(ess).

Keep this in mind, my FRiend, and I am confident your understanding will increase and your misunderstandings will be overcome.

[ealgeone]

Difference in your argument is that there are not myriads of writings that note to Christ through ______ as there are To Christ through Mary as there are in roman catholicism.

None of it presupposes Mary as in independent actor, a Lone Ranger(ess).

Disagree.

There are catholic writings that tell us if we can't get what we want from Christ we can go to mary to get it. I don't have those right now but can provide for you.

We also have the apparitions telling the locals to build a temple in "her" honor. The Mary of the Bible would never say that nor would Paul or Peter or John, etc.

I see you have no rebuttal regarding the Glories of Mary.

btw...how's the corn doing? I bet the heat is not a help for it.