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To: Mark17; ealgeone; HossB86; metmom; imardmd1; daniel1212; Elsie; caww; Iscool; Tennessee Nana; ...
You are so very correct, Sir. Those born from above have the spark of Holy Spirit LIFE in their human spirit> Without that spark, one is not in the family!

No priest can control God, so only GOD can put HIS LIFE in a person. To believe in Whom GOD sent for our salvation is to be born from above.

That Holy Spirit spark is so very important when the Snatching away of the CHURCH, the TRUE BODY of CHRIST Believers happens. The presence of that spark of Holy Spirit Life will resonate to the Angel call and Trumpet sound, to instantly transform the believers into immortal, glorified beings who will disappear from the field of senses of the unsaved.

The believers will be as invisible as the being to whom the hand was attached in Daniel Chapter Five. So many will be snatched into the clouds that there may be a visible 'glow-trail' but individuals will no longer be in the same spacetime coordinates as those not raptured.

John wrote in one of his letters that when Jesus appears in the Air, we shall see Him as He really is, in His glorified state, because when He comes we shall be like HIM. We shall be in the same spacetime coordinate system as He is, as HE used to enter the locked and shuttered room, as He used to leave the stone tomb without rolling away the stone, as He used to disappear from view of the two disciples for whom He blessed and broke the bread.

615 posted on 08/09/2016 7:35:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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Good posts, 614 and 615. Thank you.


616 posted on 08/09/2016 7:51:09 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forevermore endure.)
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To: MHGinTN

“Spark”?


621 posted on 08/10/2016 8:17:55 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: MHGinTN
Those born from above have the spark of Holy Spirit LIFE in their human spirit> Without that spark, one is not in the family!

Not simply the "spark," but Christ Himself is in the believer by the Spirit - Christ in us, the hope of glory. Which present an unresolved problem for all those RCs who claim we need to take Jn. 6:53 literally, and thus physically consume the "real" flesh and blood of Christ:

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. (John 6:53)

For this statement is as much an absolute imperative as other "verily verily" statements, and thus if taken literally then it plainly means that no one who denies and does not consume the "real" flesh and blood of Christ does not, and cannot have spiritual life in them. Yet in addition to the fact that Scripture teaches that it is by believing the word of the gospel message of salvation that one obtains spiritual life in them, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13) and nowhere did souls obtain that spiritual life by literally physically eating anything, even modern Rome affirms Scripture-centric Prots as being born again.

LUMEN GENTIUM 16: "..there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (Cf. Jn. 16:13) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical [Protestant] communities…"

"They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood."

When RCs presume to enlist Scripture to support their traditions of men, then they contradict either Scripture or their church.

622 posted on 08/10/2016 8:57:33 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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