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To: MHGinTN
Those born from above have the spark of Holy Spirit LIFE in their human spirit> Without that spark, one is not in the family!

Not simply the "spark," but Christ Himself is in the believer by the Spirit - Christ in us, the hope of glory. Which present an unresolved problem for all those RCs who claim we need to take Jn. 6:53 literally, and thus physically consume the "real" flesh and blood of Christ:

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. (John 6:53)

For this statement is as much an absolute imperative as other "verily verily" statements, and thus if taken literally then it plainly means that no one who denies and does not consume the "real" flesh and blood of Christ does not, and cannot have spiritual life in them. Yet in addition to the fact that Scripture teaches that it is by believing the word of the gospel message of salvation that one obtains spiritual life in them, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13) and nowhere did souls obtain that spiritual life by literally physically eating anything, even modern Rome affirms Scripture-centric Prots as being born again.

LUMEN GENTIUM 16: "..there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (Cf. Jn. 16:13) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical [Protestant] communities…"

"They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood."

When RCs presume to enlist Scripture to support their traditions of men, then they contradict either Scripture or their church.

622 posted on 08/10/2016 8:57:33 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212; MHGinTN

Agreed. Not simply the “spark” n(whatever that is) but the full and complete Person of The Holy Ghost, directing our attention to both the Son and the Father who have made their abode within (Jn. 14:23) through His Everlasting Holy Word (Ps.138:2).


623 posted on 08/10/2016 4:07:04 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: daniel1212
When RCs presume to enlist Scripture to support their traditions of men, then they contradict either Scripture or their church.

Catholics NEVER contradict either scripture nor their church....I'm here talking about REAL Catholics, not Nancy Pelosi....who knows what she is???

624 posted on 08/10/2016 8:09:13 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL)
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To: daniel1212; imardmd1; metmom; Salvation; terycarl; Iscool; Mark17; Tennessee Nana; HossB86; ...
IF the human soul and spirit are reality, to the limit that the physical bidy is real, then ask yourself how one would 'consume' a spiritual reality.

John 6:53 is Jesus teaching doubters about the reality of spiritual being. He used the creature aspects to show the spiritual is something one must receive into them to be born from above.

Had Jesus meant to teach the John 6:53 doubters, the seekers after signs, that one must eat the creature portion to receive the spiritual portion, would He have left that out in His discourse with Nicodemus, in John 3?

Those who have decided they have the truth they want, to support the pride they harbor in their 'striving for salvation', they will not see the spiritual lesson Jesus knew then was going right over the heads of the seekers after spectacular signs.

The Roman Mass is a blasphemy substituted fro the spiritual. The proof is the RCC claim that the wafer is transmogrified to be the crea5ture body and blood of He Who is now in a glorified Body, In Heaven. He Who has promised to be spiritually really amongst any three or more gathered faithfully in His name.

Gathering to repeat the pagan practice of eating the bread sacrificed to or as the god is not faithfully gathering in His Name. It is a demonic perversion of HIS TEACHING ... and it is capturing untold millions of souls to keep them from the moment of transformation and rapture to Where Jesus has been preparing a place for us.

635 posted on 08/11/2016 7:18:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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