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Posted on 07/23/2016 9:19:23 AM PDT by Salvation
Eucharist in the creed?
Msgr. Charles Pope
Question: The true presence of Christ in the Eucharist is central to our Catholic faith, and many converts say it was essential to their conversion. If this is so, why is the true presence not mentioned at all in the Nicene or Apostles Creeds? Should it not be added at the end where we state things like our belief in the Communion of Saints, the resurrection of the body and so forth? — Jerry Roventini, via email
Answer: There are many things that are not mentioned in the Nicene Creed. There is no mention of the Ten Commandments or grace; neither are we told what books belong to the New Testament or that we should care for the poor, etc. The creed is not a catechism; it is a statement of certain key doctrines that were disputed at the time of its composition in the fourth century.
The creed was composed in response to debates about the divinity of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. While there are a few concluding statements related to ecclesiology and eschatology, the Nicene Creed remains preeminently a statement of faith in the one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The belief in the true presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist was not widely disputed at the time. And to the degree it was, the need to definitively teach on the divinity of Christ was an important foundation in order to establish his true presence in the Eucharist.
In the Sacred Liturgy, many signs and words indicate the Real Presence. The words of the consecration, which are Jesus’ own words, say, “This is my body … my blood.” The priest later says, “Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.” There are also signs of the Real Presence in our reverence of kneeling and genuflecting. And, as Communion is distributed, there is the simple creedal declaration and response: “The body of Christ. Amen.” Therefore, in the wider liturgy of the Mass and devotions such as adoration, the Church proclaims her belief in the True Presence.
While it would not intrinsically hurt to add to the Nicene Creed, one might wonder where it would stop. Further, since the creed is shared by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, adding to the ancient creed might harm attempts at unity.
Pope Paul VI wrote a longer “Credo of the People of God” which does speak to the Eucharistic presence, but it is too long to recite at Mass.
Yup.
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
So; what would have happened to you if you had merely disregarded that letter?
Catholicism is the ONLY One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church on Earth, always has been, always will be...
Catholicism is the ONLY true Christian church in the world...
Well; this is ONE way to avoid answering!
Says a thoroughly indoctrinated Catholic who has NEVER seen ANY evidence to back up what he so BOLDLY asserts!
Says a thoroughly indoctrinated Catholic who has NEVER seen ANY evidence to back up what he so BOLDLY asserts!
Your statement is so inane it almost defies reply!
see why the Prottys don't get it???....
I sure do!!
The 'characters' on FR sure do!
Out of the abundance of the heart; the mouth speaks.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses."
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. "Brothers," he said, "listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 "'After this I will return
and rebuild David's fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things'
18 things known from long ago.
19 "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
Which means he did not "know" Him in the Biblical, salvific sense. Like most Caths.
Wrong again, for as shown again and again, the Catholic Eucharist is manifestly absent in the life of the NT in Scripture, which writings are interpretative of the Gospels. See post 55 and here by the grace of God before you try to respond.
Moreover, believing that bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ even though the elements, look, taste and would scientifically test to be ordinary bread and wine is hardly purely literal. Imagine if we held that the body and blood of Christ on the cross was real but imperceptible to the senses and scientific testing.
Small "c" catholics, for had the account been that of Rome, Peter would have been the one giving the final conclusive judgment as to what should be done, and Peter's testimony as to how the Gentiles were saved would have included baptism and the Lord's supper, and the record of the ecumenical council would have mentioned Mass being celebrated.
Moreover, Acts would have mentioned priests officiating at the LS in dispensing the body and blood of Christ, rather than simply "breaking of bread," and in the only account of an apostle actually calling an ecumenical council, the pastors would have been charged with doing so, versus feeding the flock by preaching as Paul did, and teaches that the word of God is what builds them up and nourishes souls. (Acts 20:28-32; 1Tim. 4:6).
The utter absence of RC distinctives, from Peter reigning supreme over the church as the first of a line of infallible popes, to her separate class of believers distinctively called "priests" (and normatively celibate) and thereby the central supreme sacrament of consuming the real flesh and blood of Christ, to praying to created beings in Heaven, etc., is proof that Catholicism did not change the Bible, as Islam claims.
If she had, then the forgeries would not have made much use of by Rome.
So; what would have happened to you if you had merely disregarded that letter?
At that time, they were jailing most guys who refused to be drafted, though I knew a few that refused, and nothing happened, so I am not sure what would have happened if I had refused to be drafted.
I never thought the military was for me, and when I retired after 20 years in the military, I still didn't think it was for me. I don't know how I survived it, but the best revenge, is to still be collecting retirement pay after all these years.
I have never forgiven the second worst president in history, (Jimmy Carter) for pardoning all the draft dodgers that went to Canada.
So you cannot answer the question and resort to blustering spittle. Thanks for confirming the assessment of your ignorance of the BIBLE and Whom JESUS is and the nature of HIS Glorified Body IN HEAVEN.
Of course Hw could but why would Hw bother?
Tickling your fancy is not Gods job
Luke 1:38
And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
Actually, terycarl has illustrated the ignorance which cannot egt past the magic thinking, to discern the Truths in the Bible. The BIBLE says God cannot lie, yet terycarl calls that a childish assertion because in terycarl’s Catholic mind god must be able to do anything else catholiciism is existing on very shaky ‘other religion’ ground.
Congrats on hanging in there for 20. My son plans on doing the same. He’s a nuke on submarines. He just finished his last deployment and will be transferred to Hawaii for shore duty in a few months to finish his 20 years.
I was on active duty only 21 months. I should have served two years, but the budget was cut for 1972, so they had to give us early outs. I also should have attended meetings and annual training in the active reserve, but was never ordered to do so. A buddy of mine who worked in Finance said they didn’t have the money to pay reservists. Which I think is what happened with W in 1972. They Air Guard probably didn’t want him going to meetings and burning up jet fuel.
I have hunted deer for 50+years and I know how to bleed them out and I will guarantee that you cannot drain all blood from any animal....you do, of course, get the majority out but think of this, if you hang the deer by its neck, disembowel it, and let it hang for a week (COLD temperatures)...Wisconsin,what happens to whatever blood is left in the lower (hind quarters) of the animal????I recognize that the red substance in meat is not pure blood, but it certainly has a percentage of blood in it....you cannot possibly drain all blood out of anything.
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