Posted on 07/13/2016 3:51:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
Good response. It’s been nearly 12 hours now. I guess that means the answer is yes?
Correct again BB. Do I have your permission to tell it like it is? Oh well, I will say it anyway. Anyone who trusts in their own ability to keep the law, will experience the wrath of God. Not a single, solitary person on earth keeps it. Not one, so Heaven will have to be "attained" some other way, and I hate that word.
The concept of the Mosaic law is good, but keeping it, to "attain" Heaven, ain't gonna cut the mustard. Cult members of all sorts, to one extent or another, do a Romans 10:3. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.
This is what awaits them at the moment of death. I believe God has a certain kind of fire that we know absolutely nothing about. I believe the agony of the Lake of fire, goes to infinity. That's scary, and I don't know why people knowingly choose to spend eternity in the lake of fire. It's beyond me. 😇😆
You make the SAME assumptions for your religion, ZC. If, as you say, it is all based on "facts" and not faith, then EVERYONE would be Noahides, but they aren't. NOWHERE in the Hebrew scriptures are these 7 laws of Noah asserted by God to be observed by all. You can't point them out. Why not admit it.
Yep, "sorry" just won't cut it.
Maybe Adam and Eve had strawberries, cherries, but that angel's kiss in spring, is what got them in trouble. (Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazlewood) 😀😆😄
Why is it you only see our arguments as "Protestant" vs. Catholic and unrelated to the arguments against your sect yet presume you are not doing the same thing? We are not "rejecting" everything not written in the Bible - as you should know that sola Scriptura means that the Divinely inspired Scriptures are the authority by which all truth claims should be measured. Jesus showed his followers THROUGH Moses, the prophets and the Psalms everything that was spoken of HIM. He proved he was who he claimed to be by the Scriptures. I guess you would conclude people that believed him were stupid and ill-informed back then but they saw his miracles, they searched the Scriptures, they saw the changes in others lives and in their own that he worked within them.
I don't expect you to take my words on faith, but you owe it to yourself to do quite a bit more research and praying before you jeopardize your soul for eternity. I'm praying for you. May God grant you to see the truth for yourself without the veil of confusion.
How many times have you been asked to post something explaining it? Why not point out what this "anti-Semitic" site gets wrong instead?
Just so we're clear...I believe that Jesus Christ is Almighty God incarnate - that he took on human flesh to make atonement for the sins of the world, that He is the fulfillment of Isaiah 9:6, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. as well as Isaiah 7:14, Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (which is God with us). I also believe the hundreds of others prophecies in the Tanakh concerning the Messiah were and will be fulfilled by Jesus. Am I STILL fine?
Well BB, aside from a bunch of worthless rituals and ceremonies, this cult is a religion of salvation by works. Once I know that, I pretty much stop listening. I don't care whatever else they might have right, if they don't have the plan of salvation right.
They are not putting their eternal souls in danger, as in the future. They are in danger RIGHT NOW. As rdmd1 stated previously, there is no middle ground where Jesus Christ is concerned. One either accepts Him as savior, or one rejects Him, and riding the fence, is rejecting Him. People can either accept Him today, as savior, or face Him later as judge. Rumor has it, He won't be much in a forgiving mood as their judge. That, however, is on them. 😇
I thank the Lord every single day for His blessings, His salvation, His grace and for showing me the way of righteousness. I know it is not something I deserved!
BTW...I was talking to a guy a few weeks ago and he was saying how much he loved living in the Philippines. He said he would love to go back and could see living there the rest of his life were it not for the family he still has here. He also talked about the current president and how he has given the people permission to kill anyone they see selling drugs and other crimes???!!! Is that true?
“demanded”?
Did you miss the word *please*?
Nothing like poisoning the waters and trying to color someone’s opinion about someone else by again misrepresenting their position, is there?
But I didn’t ask about the Talmud.
I asked specifically about the individual’s opinion about who Jesus was and if that was an accurate representation of Noahide thinking about Jesus, and you have STILL failed to answer that question.
It’s either *yes*, which would make you guys look really, really bad.
Or *no* with a link to a source which provides an accurate representation. Which, thus far, has not been forthcoming.
The only logical and reasonable conclusion one can come to does not make you guys look good at all.
Talmud: Statement of Purpose
There are many lies circulating the internet about the Jewish Talmud. These allegations are supported by "direct quotations" from the Talmud that are frequently wrong or taken out of context. However, most people lack the scholarly background to verify these claims. Most people have no way of knowing that these accusation are false and malicious. What we are attempting is to demonstrate in detail how these accusations are both wrong and intentionally misleading. We are trying to show to the world the real truth about the Talmud.
Written by Gil Student
At some point It is time to ask for the blocking of material which has not been presented as an exposé of a treasonous belief system to be condemned, but rather as the poster being affirmatve to proselyting for and propagating a system of belief and government which is determined to kill Christians by decapitation for their allegiance to the death in Jesus, both Lord and Christ.
This attitude, to which the poster of the initial article affirms and gives assent to, is totally against the principles of the use of the Free Republic forum for its stated purpose of upholding the Constitution and its guarantees.
And I doubt that RM is unaware of or ignoring the exchange. Perhaps yhe moderator is just waiting for the poisonous fruit to ripen so that it can be destroyed to the root.
Now BB, this is a really good and telling point as to the question of presence or absence of vowels in the written Hebrew. Jesus Himself spoke of the preservation of every jot and tittle in the (written) Law:
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Mt. 5:18 AV, cf Lk. 16:17). To pinpoint what He said, the letter "yodh" is the smallest consonant in the Hebrew alphabet ( י ), is rendered in the Koine as ιωτα (pronounced yota) and Anglicized as "jot". In English "tittle" comes frpm "tit" meaning a single dot, like a period, and is the translation for κεραια (pronounced ker-ee-ah) in the Greek, which is the translation of the smallest element of Hebrew vowel pointing, the dot or chireq ( חִירִיק ) (pronounced as kee-reck) and represented as " . "
Both can be used as punctuation also.
My understanding is that the Hebrew written for Hebrews did not lack vowels or punctuation, but rather having been learned, and the context understood (especially for well-known and memorized Scripture), including the vowel while writing was just too laborious. Probably the vowel pointing system was so that he meaning could be transmitted as an assist to Gentiles or Jews for whom Hebrew was a second language, one of which they were not native speakers.
Jesus mentions tittle, which is said to be the dot that indicates a vowel sound. How does that square with the accepted explanation that Hebrew vowel markings weren’t used until hundreds of years after Jesus?
What forevermore will baffle me is the willing and yea, intentional refusal by really educated people to be scripturally born again.
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" ... (Romans 10:13)
God has made salvation free and easy (I know .. Jesus paid, but for THIS comment ...) .. and all a man need do is ask to be saved.
I appreciate Mark pinging me to these threads but I am SO baffled as to why there is such a long, ongoing thread/commentary in the first place.
I remember the moment I was saved ... no, really ... I do.
Up Fallen Timber Rd at Eddie Klien's kitchen table at about 7:30 PM.
Eddie had witnessed to me and asked me if I would like to be saved and I was so under conviction I of course, said "yes" and prayed a short prayer asking for forgiveness and would You (Jesus) please come into my life and save me"
No bells nor whistles, no "Halleluia's" descernding from the ceiling, no slain in the spirit convulsions or anythinhg ... actually ... there was pretty close to nothing ... except .... now I was tired and I wanted to go to bed.
I awoke the next morning with a remarkable peace.
(I'm omitting a LOT of the peripherals in my testimony, here)
SOMETHING had happened to me and in a couple of months I started attending an independent, fundamental Baptist church where I ALLOWED a man talk to me like I had NEVER allowed before in my life.
That last sentence is what I believe is a key to understanding the unwilling to be saved.
I too was educated and somewhat cerebral and quite frankly a pretty good disciple of the devil, so I was familiar with fancily connected wording.
What I heard (and HAVE heard since August 1981), just plain made sense !
These threads you guys get involved in spend so much time trying to use words to convince the unwilling to hear ... to believe.
I think the one(s) you converse with DO understand and, academically, agree with everything you say but .... there really IS a devil on their left shoulder threatening .. "Don't you DARE say you believe those words other than the ones I'VE taught you and just the WAY I've taught you!" .....
.............. and they don't.
It is not presumptive to hear or read simple, one syllable words, understand them and, if there is a command to ACT on those words ... you do.
That's not presumptive, that's sanity.
HAH ! .. Look at me .... using half a dictionary's worth of words to argue against using a half a dictionary's worth of words to confound the simple, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved".
English is not a difficult language to understand
Ya know; I've read that - somewhere.
I'll bet you'll cover that point; won't you?!
And; we are getting it!
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