A Lutheran Cannot be Pope

non veni pacem ^ | June 27, 2016 | non veni pacem

[Elsie]

(COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)

Yeah...
Sure...

[terycarl]

When you separated CATHOLICS can finally get YOUR act together; come see us poor, deluded Prots and work your magic on us.

you have a very vivid imagination....the Catholics always have been.....it is the prots who split away imagining that they knew better (they didn't)

[Elsie]

you have a very vivid imagination....the Catholics always have been.....

[Elsie]

..it is the prots who split away imagining that they knew better...

I hear ya!

Yup; you Catholics got it together all right!

[terycarl]

I can virtually guarantee that there are Catholic churches in every one of those cities and ALL are older than any protestant church in the same city.

[Elsie]

I can virtually guarantee ...

Avoid the elephant all you want; but FAULTY Catholic teachings led the missing ones into ERROR!

Or else your church is YOUNGER than you continually SPOUT.

[terycarl]

Avoid the elephant all you want; but FAULTY Catholic teachings led the missing ones into ERROR! Or else your church is YOUNGER than you continually SPOUT.

If some local churches failed because of their leaders in the first few hundred years of the church....so be it, but that does NOTHING to repudiate the fact that the Catholic church was Christ's original church and that it has existed since His time.

[Elsie]

...but that does NOTHING to repudiate the fact that the Catholic church was Christ's original church and that it has existed since His time.

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Not 'local', but CATHOLIC!!

If some local churches failed because of their leaders in the first few hundred years of the church....

[terycarl]

Not 'local', but CATHOLIC!! If some local churches failed because of their leaders in the first few hundred years of the church....m

How did the protestant churches in those towns do???

I thought so.

[Elsie]

How did the protestant churches in those towns do???

Nice try at: LOOK over THERE!

But the FACTS are (if you buy Rome's line that Catholicism started at Day One) those were FAILED CATHOLIC CHURCHES.

You are STUCK with your OWN albatross around thine neck and hoisted upon thine OWN petard!

[terycarl]

But the FACTS are (if you buy Rome's line that Catholicism started at Day One) those were FAILED CATHOLIC CHURCHES. You are STUCK with your OWN albatross around thine neck and hoisted upon thine OWN petard!

So, 2,000 years ago, in the first years of a newly founded religion (by Christ),it had some failures. I haven't looked up the places that you mentioned, but the meaning of the whole thing escapes me. The Catholic church has overcome numerous obstacles in its history and is doing just fine. It remains the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic church on Earth and as promised, will last until the end of time.....and will NEVER err in matters of faith and morals.......as promised!!!

[Elsie]

So, 2,000 years ago, in the first years of a newly founded religion (by Christ),it had some failures.

FINALLY!!!

Now admitting that Catholic Teaching wasn't PERFECT wasn't THAT hard; was it?

[Elsie]

I haven't looked up the places that you mentioned, but the meaning of the whole thing escapes me.

Of COURSE it does!

[Elsie]

...and will NEVER err in matters of faith and morals...

Sorry; but for all your bluster you cannot see that your OTC recorded the FACT that is HAS 'erred' in:

faith and morals

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church of Ephesus: Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

 

church in Smyrna: I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

 

church in Pergamos: But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication... Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

 

church in Thyatira: I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols...  And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

 

church in Sardis:  I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead....    .....I have not found thy works perfect before God.

 

church in Philadelphia:  I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; 

 

church of the Laodiceans: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.  Who does this sound like? --->     Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:  I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

[terycarl]

..and will NEVER err in matters of faith and morals... Sorry; but for all your bluster you cannot see that your OTC recorded the FACT that is HAS 'erred' in: faith and morals

Mind you, I never said that individual churches, congregations etc. were immune from error, I stated that the Catholic church as an institution, is immune from error...never has happened, never will. You can blow smoke forever and you will NEVER be able to justify your denial of Christ's church....if you want to be a Protestant,so be it....have a ball, but try as you may, you will always be in error.

[Elsie]

Mind you, I never said that individual churches, congregations etc. were immune from error, I stated that the Catholic church as an institution, is immune from error...never has happened, never will.

So; using YOUR explanation here; just how many; what percentage; of the CURRENT Catholic churches are teaching ERROR?

You give the 7 a pass; how many TODAY get one as well?

[terycarl]

So; using YOUR explanation here; just how many; what percentage; of the CURRENT Catholic churches are teaching ERROR? You give the 7 a pass; how many TODAY get one as well?

All of them....if they are individually following the professed overall teachings of the universal church, they have been promised that they cannot err im matters of faith and morals....infallibility was granted to the Pope and if he is followed faithfully, we do not err either.

[Elsie]

...they have been promised that they cannot err im matters of faith and morals....

By WHOM?

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Hebrews 13:9 (ESV)
Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them.

[Elsie]

....infallibility was granted to the Pope and if he is followed faithfully, we do not err either.

THIS guy??

Galatians 2:11 English Standard Version
But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

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So...

...just WHEN did the supposed INFALLIBLITY kick in?

[terycarl]

So... ...just WHEN did the supposed INFALLIBLITY kick in?

When Christ promised whatsoever you shall bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven and whatsoever you shall loose on Earth will be loosed in Heaven.......do you suppose that He would allow the church to make an error which would be bound in Heaven???????

me neither!