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To: Mark17
TC, this is a very rare moment. I actually agree with you bro. This has never happened before. It may never happen again, so enjoy it while you can. You are correct, that Jesus is sinless, and certainly died for us. I am glad you agree that Mary died, and her body lies a mouldering in the grave. What I mean is, anyone who is sinless, will never die physically. The fact that Mary died, proves she was a sinner, like all of us. She has no magical powers, to answer prayers, or influence God, or anything. She is a citizen of Heaven, that's all. She was also the mother of at least 6 other children, that came after Jesus. One of them, James, the half brother of Jesus, was actually the leader of the Jerusalem church, not Peter. I hope you are trying to figure out, how the death and resurrection of Jesus relates to YOU personally, not others, only you. And by the way, it is perfectly ok to commit the sin of presumption, and know totally, completely, positively 100%, that you will go to Heaven. There is no need to try to bluff your way into Heaven.

I only assume that Mary died, she was, however, assumed into heaven....before or after physical death or at the exact time of physical death no one knows nor is it important.

Jesus relates to me personally through Baptism, Confirmation, the Eucharist and the rest of the Catholic religion....it was, after all, the religion that Christ instituted....not the Navigators...they are a man made sect who somehow feel the authority to override 1,930 years of Christian teaching and do it their way. O.K., I guess, but if I'm playing the odds, I think I'll stick with the learned men who brought Christianity through CENTURIES of trials and doubt.

I have no idea of what Jesus cousin James had to do with the early church, but Peter was, indeed, the titular head of the newly established Catholic church....if he appointed James to head a branch, so be it, and NO, Mary did not have 6 children....if you think that she did, name them and show ANY iota of evidence that they existed.

You agree with me more than you will admit because you are trying your best to justify an EXTREMELY poor decision.

1,116 posted on 07/06/2016 7:13:05 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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To: terycarl; Elsie; metmom; MHGinTN; boatbums; ealgeone
I only assume that Mary died, she was, however, assumed into heaven....before or after physical death or at the exact time of physical death no one knows nor is it important

I disagree with all that bro, except to say, it is not important.

Jesus relates to me personally through Baptism, Confirmation, the Eucharist and the rest of the Catholic religion....it was, after all, the religion that Christ instituted....not the Navigators...they are a man made sect who somehow feel the authority to override 1,930 years of Christian teaching and do it their way. O.K., I guess, but if I'm playing the odds, I think I'll stick with the learned men who brought Christianity through CENTURIES of trials and doubt

I disagree with every word of that bro.

I have no idea of what Jesus cousin James had to do with the early church, but Peter was, indeed, the titular head of the newly established Catholic church....if he appointed James to head a branch, so be it, and NO, Mary did not have 6 children....if you think that she did, name them and show ANY iota of evidence that they existed.

I disagree with all of that bro. I can't remember the last time you ever gave any evidence to back up anything you have ever said. You may have, or you may not have. I just can't recall if you ever do, so I don't feel like I have ANY obligation to give you ANY evidence of Mary's 6 (or more) kids she had, you know, after she and Joseph did the evil S word (sex) But since you asked about the half brothers and half sisters of Jesus, the result of the evil deed, try Matthew 23: 55,56. Mark 6:3. John 2:12. John 7:3-10. Acts 1:14. 1st Cor 9:5. Gal 1:19. That's more than enough information for you, but if you don't want to accept that, well, that's on you bro.
All of those things are not all that important. The only thing that matters, is what your plan of salvation is. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me, that your plan of salvation is baptism, good works, membership in the so called OTC, plus Sacrements, and a few other things. If that is true, well, my opinion is, you could possibly end up with the short end of the stick.
You are welcome to your opinion bro. I just don't agree with it.

1,117 posted on 07/07/2016 8:04:27 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forevermore endure.)
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To: terycarl; Mark17
and NO, Mary did not have 6 children.....if you think that she did, name them and show ANY iota of evidence that they existed.

Have you read a Bible lately?

1,121 posted on 07/08/2016 11:41:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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