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A Journey Using a Medieval “Map of Hell”
Aletelial ^ | March 20, 2016 | Matthew Becklo

Posted on 05/22/2016 10:52:54 AM PDT by NYer

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To: metmom
There’s no need for purgatory for the saved.

So then you're conceding your false claim that purgatory saves people apart from the blood of Jesus?

When the body of flesh dies, the old nature is gone and all that is left is the new, perfect, pure nature.

Chapter and verse, please.

41 posted on 05/24/2016 1:06:52 PM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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So then you're conceding your false claim that purgatory saves people apart from the blood of Jesus?

No. I never made that claim.

When the body of flesh dies, the old nature is gone and all that is left is the new, perfect, pure nature.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

We are NEW creatures in Christ. We have been given a new nature.

Romans 7:7-Romans 8:8What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Two natures in one body.

The flesh is dying/dead. When the heart stops beating, what's left? Is the sin nature left?

42 posted on 05/24/2016 2:24:29 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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