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It's good to see a Cardinal finally stand up to the heresy in Francis' Amoris Laetitia.
1 posted on 05/04/2016 2:18:57 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Where does he do that? It seems to me he is just going with the same old ambiguity line.


2 posted on 05/04/2016 3:15:26 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ebb tide

Yet Yeshua ministered to prostitutes and tax collectors, the basic dregs of society at that time and He said nothing about denying his Last Supper to anyone.


3 posted on 05/04/2016 3:48:24 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: ebb tide; piusv
I agree that ambiguity is their milieu, but even so, he is somewhat distancing himself from the heretical document's backer, Bergoglio.

Of course, they all fold in the end.

With the 'conservative' Vatican-2 types finally taking umbrage at something, what is to be hoped for is an enlightening to all the evil that has been done since 1958, and not more confusion that will result in the loss of more souls.

That is, a 'good' cop, bad cop scenario will not result in the Truth of Christ when each is outside the fold.

For the record, we who hold the See vacant, and the V-2 edifice an impostor, do not wish you ill, but hope you will find your way through the coming turmoil, as the following article elucidates:

Amoris Laetitia and the Coming Schism: Retrospect and Prospect

4 posted on 05/04/2016 3:52:17 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: ebb tide
Muller: "It is not possible to live in God’s grace while living in a sinful situation,” he said, and continued by saying that people living in sin “can not receive Holy Communion unless they have received absolution in the sacrament of penance.”

AL, Footnote 301: "Hence it is can no longer simply be said that all those in any “irregular” situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace."

It seems to me that Muller and AL (i.e. Francis) are arguing two different issues. Muller is saying that those living in "sinful situations" are not living in a state of grace and cannot receive Communion. I think Francis would happily assent to this statement because he's kicked the can further down the road.

Francis is saying in AL footnote 351 that what actually constitutes a "sinful situation" is no longer clear.

IOW, Muller is arguing theology and doctrine and Francis is arguing pastoral practicalities. Muller is saying that those living in mortal sin cannot receive Communion. Francis is saying..."Yeah we know. We haven't changed that doctrine as we keep telling you. We're just not sure who's actually living in mortal sin."

Muller is fanning the air here. In order attack this issue properly, he needs to 1) mention AL by name and it's problematic parts and 2) make clear that this exhortation cannot be used in the way both Schonborn and Francis said it could be used.

7 posted on 05/04/2016 4:37:22 PM PDT by marshmallow
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