Posted on 04/22/2016 8:47:44 AM PDT by metmom
“Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand” (1 Corinthians 15:1).
The true church has consistently testified to the power of the Resurrection.
Kenneth Scott Latourette observed in his History of the Expansion of Christianity: “It was the conviction of the resurrection of Jesus which lifted his followers out of the despair into which his death had cast them and which led to the perpetuation of a movement begun by him.” This statement was true for the church at Corinth, even with its many problems.
The apostle Paul opens his well-known chapter on the Resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15 by implicitly affirming the Corinthians’ testimony to that doctrine. Simply by receiving the gospel and having their lives transformed, the believers at Corinth demonstrated the reality of Jesus’ resurrection. And that resurrection is what empowered the gospel. Paul did not need to explicitly remind the Corinthians of Christ’s rising to life until verse 4, “He was raised on the third day.” The apostle was confident at the outset that the Corinthians had already believed in the truth of the Lord’s resurrection.
The fact that the Corinthian church continued to exist, though beset with problems of immaturity and other weaknesses, was a solid witness to the power of the gospel of the risen Christ. Only a living Savior could have converted some of the hardened sinners of Corinth—extortioners, idolaters, the sexually immoral—into a community of the redeemed. Paul was concerned and distressed about many of the things that did and did not happen in the church at Corinth, but he did not hesitate to call the core group of members there “brethren.”
In spite of many challenges from skepticism, persecution, heresy, and unfaithfulness, the church through the centuries has continued to testify to the reality of Christ’s resurrection. The true church celebrates that truth often, not just on Easter Sunday. Actually, because the church gathers on Sunday, the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week (when Jesus rose), we remember the Resurrection every week. Praise the Lord for that reminder the next time you worship on the Lord’s Day.
Suggestions for Prayer
Thank God that His church was faithful in the past to testify to the truth of the Resurrection.
For Further Study
Read Acts 4, and list some things that suggest a testimony to the power of the Resurrection.
What i expounded was not a denial of this perhaps being the LS, but a denial of the Cath Eucharist, for the context of the quote you choose, what i said was
considering the centrality and fundamental critical importance of the Cath Eucharist, then surely the practice and doctrine of the Catholic Eucharist with its NT priests would be clearly and often described in the life of the NT church, from Acts to Revelation, especially in the light of the many descriptions, teachings and exhortations and commendations and criticisms and solutions for problems which are given it. And with its descriptions of pastoral work. But in the entire record of acts and life of the NT church, which are interpretive of the gospels, we have no manifest description of the Catholic Eucharist, the sober formal ritual administered by a sacerdotal class of clergy distinctively titled "priests.".
The clear contrast is btwn the breaking of bread ("with gladness and singleness of heart'), and a central "source and summit of our faith" formal ritual sacrifice at the hands of a special class of believers distinctively titled "priests," for they presume to offer Christ as a sacrifice for sins to the Father under the appearances of bread and wine, either of which they imagine is the "real" body and blood of Christ, and which is to be eaten in order to obtain spiritual life.
Consider how the Eucharist is described according to RC teaching:
• "the source and summit of the Christian life," around which all else revolves, as all the "other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it;" (CCC 1324
• "the cause of that communion in the divine life," (CCC 1325) and the work of our redemption is carried out;" (CCC 1364)
• "through it Christ becomes present whole and entire, God and man;" (MYSTERIUM FIDEI, 39)
• "the same sacrifice with that of the cross...a sacrifice of propitiation, by which God is appeased and rendered propitious;” (The Catechism of the Council of Trent)
• and that the active duty priest is "most of all to offer the Eucharistic Sacrifice;" (Pastoral Reflections on the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, Cardinal John J. O'Conner)
Canon law states that it is the duty of parents that children who have attained the age of reason "are nourished by this divine food as soon as possible" after their first sacramental confession.(Can. 914)
Obviously if the NT church held or was to hold to this belief with its critical centrality and nature then this central critical ritual sacrifice by priests would be often described in the life of the church, this being interpretive of the gospels, and exhorted as a central means of grace, and with its theology explained someplace therein, at least in Hebrews with its teachings on the grace of the "better" covenant. But in contrast we see it as described. Which is not opposed to your description that "the breaking of bread is to be an occasion of remembrance, one of removing it from the ordinary meal of replenishing one's body of nutrients...the weekly honoring of the day of His resurrection and of the outpouring of the Holy Ghost needs to be recognized by the Bride for which He poured out His life, His Spirit, His Blood, and His Love." But the sacrifice is that of oneself in service to others, effectually remembering Christ's sacrifice for us. To the glory of God.
Then there is the sacred name movement.
quote-I agree we should get the day of Passover correct if we are going to celebrate the resurrection (though Christmass is basically out for me), but if the specific day was so important that those who get the day wrong are believing a false gospel then that is akin to elitist Catholicism and cults. That itself is deception.
When Rome has teachers that teach Mary has come down here and given us Promises, we can test those against Scripture and see whether they are true or not.
They can be shown to be false-lies. So, I would have no problem calling that mary a false prophetess. A fake.
Problem is that mary points to Jesus. Scripture says no lie is of the truth.
So if Rome’s mary can be shown to be a fake, what Jesus is she pointing to? A fake Jesus?
Is there any scriptural warnings about false christs, false prophets, another Jesus or another gospel?
Let me ask it this way-
Is it possible Rome has a false Mary and false Jesus
or
do they just worship Jesus falsely?
quote-Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Is Paul talking about things like ‘Mon’Day or ‘Tiws’ Day or Thors Day and April and May and July , and Christmas time or Easter time and Year of the Dragon?
Or was He speaking of biblical days like the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th Days.
Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Weeks, Booths?
Because if one is saying Paul is telling them to ignore the biblical days, we have a problem when He tells the Corinthians to keep the feast.
And with study, those biblical days do one thing and one thing only- point to the Creator and Redeemer and the Kingdom. No one else and no place else.
That is why the real bondage is calling today Monday. or tomorrow Tiws day after a false god.
But to each His own. Everyone is on a journey to sanctification. Rome offers to the world its days and months and times and years and most are much more comfortable with Rome.
The passage, taken in context, indicates that Paul was referring to these people lapsing back into observing pagan ‘days’, like the Saturnalia. Polycarp went to Rome in his old age to oppose such heresies as changing the Lord’s Table observance to correspond to a pagan rite, rather than keeping it on Nisan 14 as established by our Lord.
Both can be the case but that is not and has not been the issue, but that of applying 2 Cor 11:3 (different spirit Jesus, Spirit, gospel) to those who simply hold to Good Friday Holy Saturday and Easter Sunday as Rome does. However, this practice itself does not mean they are preaching a false gospel. Despite your additions to what Paul preached, he did not mention the specific days that Christ died on, and making belief in these necessary for salvation, as you inferred, is a false gospel.
quote-However, this practice itself does not mean they are preaching a false gospel. Despite your additions to what Paul preached, he did not mention the specific days that Christ died on, and making belief in these necessary for salvation, as you inferred, is a false gospel.
I recall saying sanctification in a post, not salvation. That may be mind reading on your part.
I can go back and see and will apologize if I did. But you used the ‘inferred’ which tells me, it was you who thought that, not I.
Sola Scriptura, shall we?
Paul to the Corinthians 1 Cor 15
1Now I make known to you, brethren, THE GOSPEL which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
1 Cor 15:3
3For I delivered to you as of FIRST IMPORTANCE what I also received, that Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, 4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES,…
So, Paul is making known the gospel in 1st verse in the 3rd verse says, inspired by the Holy Spirit, that the FIRST IMPORTANCE TO THE GOSPEL IS THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDINING TO THE SCRIPTURES. And Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, uses the ‘According to the Scriptures twice in consecutive verses)
What Scriptures is Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, referencing here?
The Holy Spirit could have inspired Paul to just write that Christ died for our sins, leaving out the ‘According to Scripture’ or as some versions state ‘In Accordance with the Scriptures’
But that isn’t what is written.
When one has the 2nd version (in Accordance with the Scriptures) it becomes clearer Paul is referencing the Old Testament Scriptures and not Mathew, Mark, Luke and John.
So, why would according to scripture be in there?
Maybe because prophecy would show that someday other versions of events would pop up that wouldn’t be ‘according to scripture-
We have some who think he died on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
How does one know the Truth?
Well, we are to be sanctified in the Truth. His Word is Truth.
There are different versions of the 1st importance today! Not just Rome’s Good Friday.
Passover doesn’t equal Good Friday or Wednesday or Thor’s Day and Good Friday or Wednesday or Thor’s Day don’t equal Passover, it seems much more clear. That comes with study and testing those teachings and doctrines with Scripture.
Rome can’t even get what Paul calls the first importance of the gospel correct.
And because of it, they have birthed other versions that have people saying it was another Roman day (like Thor or Tiw’s Or Woden’s when Christ died for our sins)
Is it a minor detail? Most would say yes. Protestant daughters certainly would run to Rome’s defense of her calendar, but maybe not all climb on board her Good Friday.
But from that false premise of Rome’s authority, lots of people can’t see how that 1st importance is muddied.
And without the scriptures, one can’t know Truth.
But the enemy is more subtle than anything in the garden..
According to the Scriptures, Christ died for our sins on Passover, the 14th Day of the Father’s 1st month.
Passover can fall on any day of Rome’s week. It can land on a Roman Monday, Tiwsday, Woden’s Day or a Thor’s Day or a Friday, Saturday (against Judaism’s rules but not the Father’s) and a Sunday.
Anybody ever ask the Father why Passover is not on a Friday every year?
I have.
Anybody ever ask Rome why Good Friday isn’t Passover every year?
I didn’t have to because the Father told me the difference between Passover, according to the Scriptures and Good Friday according to Rome.
Is that, at it’s most infantile elementary level, another gospel? Does it matter?
Depends on whether people want Sola Scriptura to be the final arbiter of religious doctrinal debates- or not.
Catholiciism is ‘another gospel’, not Christianity. The pagan rites and days inveigled early on, probably before John penned The Revelation. Rome was the center of much of the pagan additions and since The Vatican holds the documents for the True History, don’t expect any deep truth to come out of Rome, the swallowers of The False Decretals of Isadore, the Marcion heresies, Arianism ... well, you get the picture. Flawed men bowed to pagan ism rather than forfeit their lives, and Anicetus was likely overtaken by the lust for power.
quote-Catholiciism is ‘another gospel’, not Christianity.
as a Protestant I believed Christ died for my sins on Good Friday and was buried and raised the 3rd Day, Easter Sunday.
I felt like Rome and me had the same Jesus. Their Mary was a little off, though, but it really came to light when a Roman Catholic placed in my hand the 15 promises Mary gives for praying the Rosary-
my testing of Rome intensified.
I don’t accept anything from Rome-
Not even their calendar.
that is something the world can’t say. Even Islam and Judaism accepts it-to their own blindness.
And one sharp sword like bible verse in Ezekiel 46 showed me how Rome has been allowed to do its work and counterfeit time-
Because of it-
Good Friday and all Fridays to Rome are 6th Days.
Holy Saturday and all Saturdays to Rome are 7th Days
Easter Sunday and all Sundays to Rome are 1st Days.
That template is false.
And Scripture can prove it-
In fact, Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits in the Father’s 2nd week confirms it.
That’s why Passover isn’t just any other day. And why the 14th Day in His 7th month isn’t just an ordinary day. They are the 6th Day of His 2nd biblical week in His biblical months. And they lead into His 2nd 7th Day Sabbaths of His months.
He changes not- But Rome has changed times and laws.
and it isn’t just Roman Catholicism that is affected. Islam, Judaism and all of Christianity accept Rome’s calendar as an authoritative truth.
1 verse, 1 day in the Father’s months, can cut to the heart and mind. and it can be read over and over and it won’t register, unless one is given eyes to see.
Rome is in charge of the entire world’s work and worship life, in a subtle way.
Most won’t see because it is a Judeo-Christian centered calendar, so it isn’t something people, even strong believers, will test.
Blessings come to those who do test and prove all things.
What do you think is more critical to our faith? The belief that Jesus was God with us and that he died for our sins, was buried and rose again three days later to confirm he was who he claimed to be or that we MUST be sure to observe the EXACT day every year thereafter?
When Polycarp went to Rome to oppose the inveigling of pagan days and rites into the body of believers, he addressed the Lord's Table day. But I am sure he addressed many more heresies crept into the institution being birthed in Rome under Linus and Anicetus with Marcion influence. The problem with showing these other heresies is that Rome controls access to the documents needed to study the issues, and the Vatican is not going to let any Truth out that would crumble any of their heresies now raging in that religion.
If you had cared or dared to follow the link then you should have been be able to see that the context was not that of sanctification, but of believing a false gospel and false Jesus:
That was Paul’s gospel. which gospel is taught today? Rome’s with Good Friday or Paul’s with Passover (14th)? Rome’s with Holy Saturday or Paul’s Unleavened Bread (15th)? Rome’s with Easter Sunday or Paul’s First Fruits (16th)? The difference is stark when they land on different days. Even more stark when they land in different months. 2 Cor 11:3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 4For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.
This is more serious than your absurd idea of deviant sexual sins being what really went down in the garden.
Sola Scriptura, shall we?...Paul is making known the gospel in 1st verse in the 3rd verse says, inspired by the Holy Spirit, that the FIRST IMPORTANCE TO THE GOSPEL IS THAT CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDINING TO THE SCRIPTURES. And Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, uses the ‘According to the Scriptures twice in consecutive verses) What Scriptures is Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, referencing here? The Holy Spirit could have inspired Paul to just write that Christ died for our sins, leaving out the ‘According to Scripture’ or as some versions state ‘In Accordance with the Scriptures’ But that isn’t what is written.
Indeed, and "according to the Scriptures" that the Holy Spirit chose to record, the Scriptures both he and or other apostles clearly referenced were only those which prophetically spoke of Christ death and resurrection, and never the specific calendar day, that "the Lord died on the 14th Day of the Father’s 1st month," which you read into Paul's mind and make so important:
"He [David) seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption," (Acts 2:31)
And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. (Acts 13:32-37)
And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. (Acts 8:31-33)
Such is the evidence of what "according to the Scriptures" referred to, and multiple to the OT can be seen here , by God's grace, and while there is more prophetic material outside of what we see in the NT that can be used to substantiate the Lord as being the promised Messiah who fulfilled the promises, but nowhere is the specific calendar day gone into as an important belief as part of the gospel "by which ye are saved" to which Paul referred in 1 Co. 15, despite the multitude of Gentiles.
But cults typically look for some ignored or debatable point to major on in order to justify themselves as the elite, and denigrate those outside their chosen group. So what is the name of your movement and its teachers?
Rome can’t even get what Paul calls the first importance of the gospel correct.
So now that specificity which Paul never stated as being of great importance in gospel preaching, that "the Lord died on the 14th Day of the Father’s 1st month, is now of "first importance" since you read into "according to the gospel" that which is not manifestly mentioned.
That comes with study and testing those teachings and doctrines with Scripture.
There it is. Another typical cultic aspect. Just like the Watchtower disciples something that takes much study is made essential to be saved.
Is it a minor detail? Most would say yes. Protestant daughters certainly would run to Rome’s defense
How typical of cults with their false dilemmas: if you do not agree with them then you are defending Rome. Works for 7th day sabbath-keepers, annihilationists, "sacred name" proponents, etc.
According to the Scriptures, Christ died for our sins on Passover, the 14th Day of the Father’s 1st month..
As attesting to Christ being the Lamb of God such has its place, but which does not even mean it must be a yearly observance, nor that is was so important to believe that Paul and the other preachers specified this.
Anybody ever ask Rome why Good Friday isn’t Passover every year? I didn’t have to because the Father told me the difference between Passover, according to the Scriptures and Good Friday according to Rome. Is that, at it’s most infantile elementary level, another gospel? Does it matter?
No, "another gospel" includes those who add to the gospel that which Scripture does not in order to be saved, and which is what you have done by charging those who hold to the calendar of Rome are preaching "another gospel," which is most of Christianity save for some elite cult. That they should not hold to the calendar of Rome is one thing;l but it is another to make that a matter of "first importance" as btwn a true Christ/Spirit/gospel and a false one.
Depends on whether people want Sola Scriptura to be the final arbiter of religious doctrinal debates- or not.
Indeed, and which testifies to what Paul specifically referenced as being "according to the Scriptures," and foundational beliefs. Which was not that of explaining that the Lord died on the 14th Day of the Father’s 1st month.
Wrong. The Galatians were hardly being warned about lapsing back into observing pagan days, times, months and years, as instead they were warned about being circumscribed, and seeking to be justified under the Law!
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:1-4)
How in the world does that sound like lapsing back into observing pagan days like Saturnalia? Being not entangled again with the yoke of bondage contextually refers to salvation under the Law, and which includes judging when to worship based upon external signs. The FACT is that the only specific day that any pastored, called-out assembly/church ever are described meeting together on is the first day of the week, while observing liturgical Jewish days is relegated to being typological, as re as dietary laws and temple purification, which are no longer binding on believers. (Col. 2:16,17; Heb. 9:10).
As for the "feast" of 1 Co. 5, that refers to Christ being the Passover, which He fulfilled, and the only literal feast there would that which commemorates the Lord's death, the day of which is not mandated, but is "as oft as ye do this."
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What do you think is more critical to our faith? The belief that Jesus was God with us and that he died for our sins, was buried and rose again three days later to confirm he was who he claimed to be or that we MUST be sure to observe the EXACT day every year thereafte
My focus is on Truth. And the real enemy is the father of all lies. And he will tell lies through Islam, Judaism, Christianity, secular humanism, atheism, etc.
Satan can use all these powers and principalities. and does.
I will try to explain my point using a Parable of Jesus. His Word at one point calls it a foundational parable-
I will try to show how a natural view of the day of Passover, the 14th Day, may bring some spiritual Truth to light.
So, the Parable of the Sower- and specifically the 30/60/100 portion of that parable, in a very natural way, which even Judaism and Christianity can’t see today . And the 30/60/100 go far deeper than just the natural view, but if we just start with the natural, the spiritual can follow.
Passover, the 14th Day of the Father’s 1st month, can be just a normal day to people.
But to Him, it was the Day the Destroyer passed over the houses of Israel and saved the first born of Israel. That is what the Lamb at Passover represents. The saving of the first born of Israel. delivering them from bondage.
And He delivered Israel out of Egypt’s bondage by the blood of the Lamb on 15th Day of His 1st month.
He does the same with us out of the bondage of sin. The blood of the Lamb on the 14th Day, covers us. and our journey through the wilderness begins.
To His Word, Exodus 16- Israel arrives and camps on the 15th Day of the 2nd month(important to keep note that His Word gives us that date- it marks a moment in time)
That day (15th of the 2nd month) they murmur and God, in that evening, sends the quail for them to eat.
The next day, 16th, Manna falls from heaven. and falls for the 6 days.
That event of Manna from heaven is after 30 days from when He delivered Israel out of Egypt’s bondage, by the blood of the Lamb-
Jesus used 30/60/100 for a reason.
So, after 30 days, He sends them bread from heaven. That can be known simply by keeping track of the 14th,15th,16th days of the 1st month to the 14th,15th,16th days of the 2nd month.
after 60 days from that Passover event, another major event happens to Israel
And after 100 days from the Passover, another major event happens to Israel
People are free to follow Rome and its calendar and it’s traditions but they miss a natural and spiritual foundation of 30fold/60fold/100fold.
The enemy is robbing people of faith of understanding, wisdom and knowledge of the Word made Flesh and the Kingdom.
Now we know Jesus explained the Parable but He didn’t explain the 30/60/100. Did his disciples know what he meant by those numbers?
We can know Christianity and Judaism today doesn’t know it. And Judaism should be able to see those naturally in the Word. They can’t because they are blinded by Rome’s calendar.
And Christianity can’t help them out because they are blinded by Rome’s calendar. and frankly, some translations are really deceitful.
Neither group get Pentecost right because of it- The blind leading the blind.
And Pentecost is the ‘birthday’ of the church!
Amazing to observe. And only because He gives eyes to see it! All for His Glory. It all points to Him and His Kingdom!
Conformity, even to Judeo-Christianity, doesn’t seem like a bad thing until He leads you out of it.
I can’t thank Him enough for gently pushing me out. I was blind but now I see!
And believers need to know Roman Catholicsm isn’t the enemy- Neither is Islam or any other group of human beings. The enemy is the father of all lies who will pass big whoppers of a lie or subtle lies to any and all people of faith.
If we didn’t have His Truth, we wouldn’t know who to believe or have anyway to test what is said, taught, preached, or worshipped.
He does the work of Sanctification for us and our flesh and get in the way.
He knows whether we are wayside, rocky or thorny or whether we are 30,60,100.
That means much more to me today in this wilderness journay than it did when I would have lied to myself and called today Wednesday April 27th.
Maybe it is kooky. But that nonconformity really does transform the mind like Romans 12:2 states.
It is All for His Glory!
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