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To: ealgeone
"Elsie has a wide range of pictures with catholics kneeling before images of catholic mary."

I'll bet she could find pictures of Orthodox bowing before icons of Panagia and kissing them too. I did it myself this morning. I'll likely do it before I go to bed.

You know, protestantism's intellectual forebears, the Mohammedan inspired and encouraged iconoclasts of the 7th & 8th centuries forbade the veneration of icons, but the Fathers of the 7th Ecumenical Council (787 AD) took care of that. Their proclamation is beautiful, profound, in Greek but since you don't know Greek, here it is in English:

""We define that the holy icons, whether in color, mosaic, or some other material, should be exhibited in the holy churches of God, on the sacred vessels and liturgical vestments, on the walls, furnishings, and in houses and along the roads, namely the icons of our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, that of our Lady the Theotokos, those of the venerable angels and those of all saintly people. Whenever these representations are contemplated, they will cause those who look at them to commemorate and love their prototype. We define also that they should be kissed and that they are an object of veneration and honor (τιμητικη, Προσκυνητής), but not of real worship (λατρεία), which is reserved for Him Who is the subject of our faith and is proper for the divine nature, ... which is in effect transmitted to the prototype; he who venerates the icon, venerated in it the reality for which it stands."

264 posted on 04/16/2016 3:53:46 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
I'll bet she could find pictures of Orthodox bowing before icons of Panagia and kissing them too. I did it myself this morning. I'll likely do it before I go to bed.

Then you would be in error as well.

4Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. 5Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me Exodus 20:4-5 Douay-Rheims

The Councils cannot trump the Word. Well, at least they don't in Christianity.

265 posted on 04/16/2016 4:05:56 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Kolokotronis
Is there something about Exodus 20:4-6 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

that escaped your notice or attention when you read it last?

274 posted on 04/16/2016 5:47:06 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Kolokotronis
We define also that they should be kissed and that they are an object of veneration and honor (τιμητικη, Προσκυνητής), but not of real worship (λατρεία), which is reserved for Him...

I guess folks can 'define' what ever they want; but it STILL does NOT make the practice Scriptural.

286 posted on 04/16/2016 6:29:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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