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To: FourtySeven
If you look up the word hand as used in Hebrew and Greek and in the Bible you will find the following:

“The Hebrew words are used in a large variety of idiomatic expressions, part of which have passed into the Greek (through the Sepuagint) and into modern European languages (through the translations of the Bible; see Oxford Hebrew Lexicon, under the word “yadh”). We group what has to be said about the word under the following heads:

1. The Human Hand:

Various Uses:

The human hand (considered physically) and, anthropopathically, the hand of God (Genesis 3:22; Psalms 145:16):

The hand included the wrist, as Will be seen from all passages in which bracelets are mentioned as ornaments of the hand, e.g. Genesis 24:22,30,47; Ezekiel 16:11; 23:42, or where the Bible speaks of fetters on the hands (Judges 15:14, etc.).”
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The point being raise in the article, and not clearly stated, is that if the two pieces of cloth covered the same person, the shroud is older than demonstrated by the carbon dating process, done not long ago on the shroud.

It is believed that the test was done on a patched area on the edge of the shroud. The person doing the patching inter-weaved new material into the burnt shroud, after it was damaged by fire.

The important point is that the chain of possession of the face cloth is much older, and can be dated long before the time noted through the shroud's recent carbon dating.

Back prior to 1974 I read accounts of the discovery of the remains of a crucified man that demonstrate that nails were driven through the wrists of the individual crucified. The shroud's occupant also had nails driven through his wrist.

This being said, I have always been skeptical of stigmata signs in the palms of the hands. Romans would not have changed their method of crucifixion over time. Ropes would have allowed the individual to pull upward and take part of the weight off the feet. The Romans wanted the cruelest method possible, and the most painful.

47 posted on 04/12/2016 7:18:14 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Yulee
It is believed that the test was done on a patched area on the edge of the shroud. The person doing the patching inter-weaved new material into the burnt shroud, after it was damaged by fire.

Couple of corrections. I would replace the word "believed" with "proved," as it has been conclusively shown that there are replaced threads of dyed cotton in the area that was tested that do not match the rest of the Shroud.

Also, while the patch job was done "after it was damaged by fire," it was not repaired in that corner immediately after, not subsequently due to that fire. The damage that was repaired was due far more to years of handling by persons holding the shroud by that corner and actually nailing, or pinning, the Shroud up on walls for display. It was also the practice to tie it to poles and parade it through the streets in the first millennium in such a manner, hanging by the two opposing corners. This meant those two corners got the brunt of the wear and tear and required repair. There is an obvious patch even closer to the corner of the Shroud, made from another kind of cloth. This corner and the one at the other end were the two areas of the Shroud that the Shroud of Turin Research Project scientists agreed should be avoided in selection of C-14 samples for testing due to the facts that it was both physically and chemically different than the rest of the Shroud material. . . yet that was from where the single 1988 C-14 master test sample was cut. That test was sabotaged from the very first sampling.

86 posted on 04/12/2016 2:18:40 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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