New Study: The Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo Covered the Same Person

Aletelial ^ | April 11, 2016 | Paraula

[NYer]

Catholic ping!

[NYer]

Ping!

[NYer]

Transparency acetate on three-dimensional model used in the investigation of Juan Manuel Miñarro . LINTEUM

[nralife]

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[LS]

I don’t follow this much and certainly don’t want to argue but have heard that one of the main “dis proofs” is that the wounds on the shroud are in the hands while crucifixion occurred through the wrist bones?

[grey_whiskers]

He got beat to a pulp.../crosses self>.

[The Great RJ]

This would then tend to contradict the carbon dating of the shroud to the 13th century. The Sudarium has a documented history hundreds of years older than the assumed date of the shroud

[sphinx]

Someone reversed the story on you. The shroud shows the nail wounds in the wrists, in opposition to the medieval artistic convention of nails though the palm of the hand.

[Big Red Badger]

Wow,

Just Wow.

[Gadsden1st]

What happens to all the Saints and “Holy” people that has stigmata on their hands?

[papertyger]

The Shroud does actually show wounds at the wrist.

The palm of the hand wounds are actually a notion I suspect arises from some unfortunate misunderstandings of how “hand” is defined in the source language.

[Mrs. Don-o]

The carbon dating was supposedly thrown out because it tested a sample of fabric that had been patched or mended (LINK).

[Alberta's Child]

The wounds in the Shroud are in the wrists, not the hands.

This is actually a compelling piece of evidence in support of the Shroud's authenticity. The Shroud was allegedly dated back to the 1100-1200 period by carbon dating, but works of art throughout history that depict the crucifixion show the nails in the hands, not the wrist. If someone from that period wanted to make a credible fake shroud, then surely he would have created it in a way that would replicate the images that people would have been familiar with at the time.

It wasn't until centuries later that it was determined that it wasn't physically/anatomically possible to crucify someone with nails through the hands.

[papertyger]

This would then tend to contradict the carbon dating of the shroud to the 13th century.

The 13th century result has been proven erroneous due to a repair known as "French reserving."

Unfortunately, the preservative medium in which the Shroud has been stored since the original carbon dating precludes an accurate result were the Shroud tested again from a pristine sample.

[papertyger]

What happens to all the Saints and “Holy” people that has stigmata on their hands?

Interesting dichotomy, isn't it?

[Mrsgell]

This is just incredible, thanks for posting!

[wbarmy]

the wounds on the shroud are in the hands while crucifixion occurred through the wrist bones?

That theory comes from some writings and a video done more than 30 years ago. The idea was that a nail through the hand would not support the full weight of the body and tear through the flesh, while a nail in-between the joints of the wrist would.

However, the whole body's weight never rested totally on the hands. Weight was on the feet, through a nail in the ankles, and in many cases, rope was tied around the arms to help hold the person on the cross.

The Bible states again and again that the holes are in the hands.

[grania]

Does the location where these relics are found connect in any way with the travels of Jesus' family after the Resurrection? Is anything about where they went verified from reliable documentation?

I wonder about this because a few years ago on a one-country-a-day European cruise I chose a day tour of Monserrat. There's a definite spiritual feeling there, and some of the relics and construction go way back.

[Mrsgell]

The guy who did the reconstruction is a little strange in this video, but it is wonderful!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJPJ4JwHeE

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