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Tammuz vs Jesus
http://www.tektonics.org/ ^ | James Patrick Holding

Posted on 03/27/2016 2:55:03 PM PDT by daniel1212

Tammuz vs Jesus

The ancient Sumerian deity Tammuz, or Dumuzi, has been thrown around a bit as a possible source for Christian belief by copycatters, but with little in the way of specifics. One critic refers to Tammuz as "the savior god worshipped in Jerusalem" [107 -- though they never say what he saved people from, or how he was a savior], as the "savior/fertility sun god who annually died and was resurrected" [138 -- we'll look into this claim below]; and uses word games to hint that he is represented by the Apostle Thomas [172 -- though this point isn't developed, much less proven linguistically or historically; it is merely remarked, without a footnote, that "it is said", via the indication that Thomas preached to the Parthians and Persians, that this somehow conveys that these groups were followers of Tammuz!]. The most extensive claims about Tammuz claims that:

At a sacred time of his "passion in Jerusalem", he "wore a 'crown of thorns' made of myrrh." He was annually sacrificed in the Temple in Jerusalem. Was called "only-begotten Son" and "Son of the Blood"; as well as Healer, Savior, Heavenly Shepherd, and Anointed One. He "tended the flocks of stars, which were considered souls of the dead in heaven." Acharya adds that Tammuz/Adonis was "representative of the spirit of the corn" and this connects with Bethelehem meaning "House of Bread" or "House of Corn." She also adds that Tammuz was "born in the very cave in Bethlehem now considered the birthplace of Jesus."

Little will be said in response to much of this, because frankly, much of this is either unsubstantiated or else of no moment. Scholarly literature on Tammuz is not common, but what I have found offers utterly no confirmation of, or reference to, any of these claims, with two exceptions: Tammuz' identity as a shepherd, and his death and "raising". So let's look at what scholars of the literature have to say that relates to these claims.

The god Tammuz was known as a Sumerian god of fertility and of new life [ImT, 28] earlier than 3000 B.C. [Lang.TI, 2-3]. He was indeed known by two of the names above: he was called a shepherd -- but that was only because he literally was a shepherd [ImT, 29]. His specific charge was the production of lambs and ewe's milk.

Of course we would note that in a pastoral ancient society, it would be no surprise for any leading figure (political, religious, or whatever) to be called a "shepherd" -- but in this case, the parallel isn't even there, because the title is literal!

Tammuz was also called a "healer" (as a profession), and regarded as a savior, but as Langdon notes [Lang.TI, 34], those who referred to Tammuz by these names "have not those spiritual doctrines which these words convey in Christian doctrine" in mind, but use the words "in the sense that all life depended upon his sacrifice and especially upon his return from hell." (As a reminder, that is something Jesus didn't do.)

Tammuz healed medically, but as Langdon reminds us, "[e]very deity, male or female, possessed this power," so Tammuz is nothing special, or unexpected for a god true or false, for that matter. Tammuz saved, but not from sin: He saved from starvation and physical death! He was never looked upon as one to rescue from eternal damnation; that was too way out for him!

Now this leads to the death and return to life of Tammuz, and there is indeed one -- though to call it a "resurrection" (as even Langdon does) is to remove all meaning from the word; Smith in Origins of Biblical Monotheism [112] notes that the means of Tammuz' return to life is unknown, but adds that the description points to his "participation in a ritual in which the dead were invoked and then temporarily manifested." The Tammuz cult was centered in Tammuz' marriage to Inanna, and it was her lamenting of his early death that women imitated (as in Ezekiel).

Tammuz' death was usually ascribed, though, to raiders from the nether world who attacked him and took his sheep. Thereafter he was mourned by his mother, sister, and widow. [ImT, 29, 54] But good news for them: Tammuz didn't stay dead. He came back again later, rescued by his consort and some demons who sang to him.[LangTI, 20-1] The mechanism whereby this was accomplished, though, is not described, much less obviously comparable to Jewish resurrection.

Scholars of religion and of Tammuz recognize this story as representative of the usual birth-death cycle of vegetation. (As such, he was called "the faithful son", but of "the fresh waters which come from the earth" [Lang.TI, 6n] -- this is the closest title I could find to the other "son" titles above -- his other titles include "Mother-milk" [?], "god of date palms," and "image of Ea".) There are links proving this -- Tammuz' death occurred at the end of spring; he was killed in one story by the gods of the thunderstorm (which fits because thunder tends to curdle milk!) -- and the story is so told that the "return of the god seems no new beginning: it is more we who are back to the old beginning."

The death and "raising" of Tammuz occurs every year and corresponds with the natural cycle of vegetation. This provides no parallel at all for the Christian religion, expect by redefining terms into meaninglessness (i.e., "resurrection" meaning not just a specific Jewish concept, but any dead-alive transition!) and ignoring vast differences in meaning.

More: http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/tammuz.php


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; History; Other non-Christian; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: easter; pagan; resurrection; tammuz
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To: enduserindy
Other historical references by the likes of Josephus remove any.

But which skeptics say were added by Christians.

21 posted on 03/27/2016 7:33:04 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

“But thanks for the research.”

You’re welcome, but no research done.


22 posted on 03/27/2016 7:41:55 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yes, I know.


23 posted on 03/27/2016 7:43:43 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: daniel1212
There are a number of these types of “copycat saviors” with somewhat similar stories. It's like contrasting the miracles of the magicians against the miracles performed by Moses. The difference which sets our Lord Jesus off from the rest of them is that Christ promise each believer they would be filled and indwelt with the Holy Spirit. True believers will testified to the changes in their lives manifested by the Holy Spirit.

As Pharaoh magicians found out, there are some things from God that cannot be duplicated. Each believer is a miracle.

24 posted on 03/28/2016 6:07:16 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: daniel1212

Satan had some ideas about Who was coming and set out to discredit the Gospel with copies.


25 posted on 03/28/2016 6:11:35 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.)
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To: daniel1212

There were antichrists (false Christs) before Christ, as there will be after him.

A major part of Freemasonry is their belief in the “ancient mysteries,” of which they say Jesus Christ was but another in a long line of (pagan) Christs, Tammuz, etc.

Christ said of these prior “Christs:”
“All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers; but the sheep did not hear them,” John 10:8.


26 posted on 03/28/2016 8:10:01 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: daniel1212

It changes at my location quite rapidly these days!


27 posted on 03/28/2016 8:42:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HarleyD
As Pharaoh magicians found out, there are some things from God that cannot be duplicated. Each believer is a miracle.

Overcoming evil with Good.

28 posted on 03/28/2016 3:51:13 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: sasportas
“All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers; but the sheep did not hear them,” John 10:8.

Amen.

29 posted on 03/28/2016 3:51:42 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: DungeonMaster
Satan had some ideas about Who was coming and set out to discredit the Gospel with copies.

Very likely. He understood was would be needed.

30 posted on 03/28/2016 3:52:22 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: HarleyD
There are a number of these types of “copycat saviors” with somewhat similar stories.

I haven't reviewed the site, but there are pages and pages there about such things:

Were Bible stories and characters stolen from pagan myths?

There are links for over 25 "Copycat Savior Figures," among other topics.

31 posted on 03/29/2016 7:24:11 PM PDT by Lonely Bull ("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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To: HarleyD

Oops, I failed to notice that the link was already mentioned at the top of the thread.


32 posted on 03/29/2016 7:25:11 PM PDT by Lonely Bull ("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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