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Astonishing new church in Russia
WDTPRS ^ | February 13, 2016 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 02/13/2016 3:51:33 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 02/13/2016 3:51:33 PM PST by NYer
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Catholic ping!


2 posted on 02/13/2016 3:52:01 PM PST by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer

Gasp!

Simply stunning!


3 posted on 02/13/2016 4:09:34 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: NYer

By the way, ask a regular Russian why the Catholics, according to him, are heretics, and he won’t go into any theological depths. He’ll simply say: — Well, look what their churches look like.


4 posted on 02/13/2016 4:09:40 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: NYer

Stunning. Isn’t Putin Catholic or at least christian?


5 posted on 02/13/2016 4:14:03 PM PST by chit*chat
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To: NYer

I am not surprised at the traditional style. The desecration/destruction of the churches by the communists, left a deep scar on the faithful. the building of new churches is thus a restoration of faith but also recreating traditional church architecture.


6 posted on 02/13/2016 4:19:28 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: annalex

http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/ortho_cath.html


7 posted on 02/13/2016 4:25:27 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30
Yeah, Azkoul made it his business to find every tittle that is treated differently in the East and in the West and represent it as an irreparable chasm.

The truth is that it's the attitudes that are different. The aesthetics, the habits, the customs are what separates us. This church building is a good illustration.

This is the Catholic cathedral in Seattle:

Church buildings that reflect the Divine presence exist in the Western Church. But they are not the norm, and they should be.

8 posted on 02/13/2016 4:55:24 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: NYer

Glory to God in the Highest!
He deserves this splendor.


9 posted on 02/13/2016 5:03:24 PM PST by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: NYer

So beautiful! Glory to God! Thank you for sharing your wonderful find.


10 posted on 02/13/2016 5:13:13 PM PST by Aliska ("No bank is too big to fail, and no executive is too powerful to jail." HRC 1/24/16)
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To: NYer

What a waste of money. How many hungry and poor and needy people could have been helped? Whenter the good Lord asks us what have we done, our answer should never be that we built a really fancy building in His name.
I’m disgusted but I am pretty protestant too.


11 posted on 02/13/2016 5:20:01 PM PST by vpintheak (Freedom is not equality; and equality is not freedom!)
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To: annalex

“He’ll simply say: — Well, look what their churches look like.”

Oh, please. We have churches that blow this latest one away. And, yes, we also have “prayer barns”. One set reflects the faith, the other reflects the faithlessness of many of the modern “faithful”. If a Russian confuses the two, he’s a moron.

My only problem with Russian Orthodox churches is that if you’ve seen the interior of one really good one, you’ve seen almost all of them. There’s nothing wrong with duplicating a certain kind of perfection, but I like the variety of beauty you find in Western medieval and Renaissance and Baroque churches.


12 posted on 02/13/2016 5:21:36 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

I agree with you; I am reporting the conversations I had, some on this forum, some face to face.


13 posted on 02/13/2016 5:24:54 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: vpintheak

“What a waste of money.”

Building a beautiful place for the Divine Liturgy is NOT a waste of money.

“How many hungry and poor and needy people could have been helped?”

None. The money that built this church was donated for the building of this church.

“Whenter the good Lord asks us what have we done, our answer should never be that we built a really fancy building in His name.”

Why not since at that “fancy building” there will be prayer, sacrifice, fasting, and charity - for the same poor people and their benefit FOREVER.

“I’m disgusted but I am pretty protestant too.”

Right, and Protestants have a problem with beauty in general:

No less a Protestant authority than the Protestant Ralph Adams Cram once wrote:

“From the outbreak of the Protestant revolution, the old kinship between beauty and religion was deprecated and often forgotten. Not only was there, amongst the reformers and their adherents, a definite hatred of beauty and a determination to destroy it when found; there was also a conscientious elimination of everything of the sort from the formularies, services, and structures that applied to their new religion. This unprecedented break between religion and beauty had a good deal to do with that waning interest in religion itself. Protestantism, with its derivative materialistic rationalism, divested religion of its essential elements of mystery and wonder, and worship of its equally essential elements of beauty. Under this powerful combination of destructive influences, it is not to be wondered at that, of the once faithful, many have fallen away. Man is, by instinct, not only a lover of beauty, he is also by nature a ‘ritualist,’ that is to say, he does, when left alone, desire form and ceremony, if significant. If this instinctive craving for ceremonial is denied to man in religion, where it preeminently belongs, he takes it on for himself in secular fields; elaborates ritual in secret societies, in the fashion of his dress, in the details of social custom. He also, in desperation, invents new religions and curious sects working up for them strange rituals . . . extravagant and vulgar devices that are now the sardonic delight of the ungodly. ... If once more beauty can be restored to the offices of religion, many who are now self-excommunicated from their Church will thankfully find their way back to the House they have abandoned. The whole Catholic Faith is shot through and through with this vital and essential quality of beauty. It is this beauty implicit in the Christian revelation and its operative system that was explicit in the material and visible Churches and their art. We must contend against the strongest imaginable combination of prejudices and superstitions. These are of two sorts. There is first, the heritage of ignorance and fear from the dark ages of the sixteenth century. I am speaking of non-Catholic Christianity. Ignorance of authentic history, instigated by protagonists of propaganda; fear of beauty, because all that we now have in Christian art was engendered and formulated by and through Catholicism; fear that the acceptance of beauty means that awful thing—’surrender to superstition.’ It is fear that lies at the root of the matter, as it does in so many other fields of mental activity.” (Radio Replies, vol. 2: 1052)

If you feel called by Christ to aid the poor, then do it. These people are - by building beautiful churches so the poor have somewhere to go and pray and where they can be helped. They’ll accomplish more for the poor than you will I bet.


14 posted on 02/13/2016 5:26:51 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

The parish church I attend looks like a public school.


15 posted on 02/13/2016 5:37:30 PM PST by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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“The parish church I attend looks like a public school.”

Yeah, the diocese I recently moved to runs the gamut from beautiful old churches to modern ones that are bland others that have good (albeit modern) exteriors but with disappointing interiors.

A parish I attended years ago (I attended there because it had the Latin Mass) reminded me of a dentist’s waiting room. (sigh)


16 posted on 02/13/2016 5:45:39 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: NYer

I’ve attended mass in quonset huts & dilapidated catholic school classrooms (after the church boiler went out on a routine annual basis)...maybe it’s just me, but I still felt blessed


17 posted on 02/13/2016 5:56:10 PM PST by Insigne123 (It is the soldier, not the community organizer, who gives us freedom of the press)
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I would draw a distinction. There are churches that are old and in disrepair; there are churches clearly built on a limited budget. Yet often they look and feel like a church because they were architected with worship in mind. Then there are those that indeed look like municipal buildings or airplane hangars. It is not the opulence but reverence that makes the difference.


18 posted on 02/13/2016 6:03:10 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Forgot one more category: pretentious architectural "wonders" with designs intending to reformat the very concept of a church building. Some don't seem to be lacking funds. Many would be lovely as shopping centers or concert venues; many don't seem to have any obvious purpose.




19 posted on 02/13/2016 6:30:01 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: NYer

Oh glory!


20 posted on 02/13/2016 6:43:34 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Beauty will save the world." - Fyodor Dostoyevsky)
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