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To: metmom
That is when the choice is offered to us, when drawn by the Spirit. And yes, people will still choose evil even after being imbued by that Spirit; their fate is outlined in Hebrews 10:26-31. Choosing God's way of your own free will is what builds character.
"Are men free to choose this or that form of society for themselves? By no means. Assume a particular state of development in the productive forces of man and you will get a particular form of commerce and consumption. Assume a particular stage of development in production, commerce and consumption and you will have a corresponding social structure, a corresponding organization of the family, of orders or of classes, in a word, a corresponding civil society. Presuppose a particular civil society and you will get particular political conditions which are only the official expression of civil society."

— Karl Marx
That is who is presuming that mankind has no free will.
31 posted on 02/12/2016 12:46:22 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Philippians 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

For those who think we do have free will even when God enables us to choose.

The only FREE moral agent in the universe is God. He's the only one who can act without any outside influence working on Him.

Sure we have will. It just isn't free.

We can't even begin to know God without Him quickening us, without His intervention.

We are spiritually dead so spiritual truths are non-existent to us. We cannot perceive them because we don't have the capability to. The spiritual part of us that was created to perceive spiritual reality died.

No one can perceive what they are unequipped to perceive. Blind can't see light, deaf can't hear sound, spiritually dead cannot perceive spiritual reality.

So we are not free to choose because without help we CAN'T. We are not FREE moral agents acting without outside influence.

You can quote Marx to support your position. I'll quote Scripture.

32 posted on 02/12/2016 1:38:28 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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