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If I were running the Eastern Orthodox Council
Catholic World Report ^ | 01-26-2016 | Dr. Adam DeVille

Posted on 01/29/2016 7:16:13 AM PST by NRx

The Orthodox Church has, for the better part of a century, been talking about holding a global council, often labelled the 'great and holy synod.' As we are repeatedly told, this will be the first such synodal gathering in the Christian East since the last ecumenical council of Nicaea met in 787 to deal with iconoclasm.

Catholics watching the lead-up to this council will be only too aware--as I have discussed here and here--of the promises and the perils of synodal gatherings in the life of the Church, whether East or West. Synods or councils, ancient or modern, are always a gamble, always a source of surprises one did not expect at the time, and almost always a source of confusion--or at the very least considerable hermeneutical debate, after the fact. Sometimes, it is hard to resist the thought that it would have been better never to have held a council if one's goal is a neat, over-tidy faith with no messy questions or problems--if, that is, one wants to live in a morgue rather than the Church of the living God.

But one can have no idea, when calling for a council, what those surprises will be, or whether and how they will manifest themselves, so one proceeds in the blithe hope that the risks will not outweigh the benefits. What benefits might we hope to see from an Orthodox synod this Pentecost if it happens? Picking up where I left off nearly two years ago now ("Some Thoughts and [Unsought] Advice on Holding Church Councils", March 18, 2014), let me offer some wild-eyed hopes for this Orthodox synod.

The Orthodox themselves generated a lengthy list of things a future council should attend to. This list has been in circulation for over sixty years, and includes items such as updating fasting requirements, dealing with divisions over the Julian vs. Gregorian calendar, ecumenical dialogue, liturgical reform, and internal jurisdictional divisions, including the question of primacy both within Orthodoxy itself and in its once and future relationship with the bishop of Rome.

All of these questions are weighty, and I have myself given no little reflection to a few of them on CWR and elsewhere, especially the questions of primacy and jurisdiction, and of fasting. But let me not get into those questions again. Let me, instead, attempt here something of an imaginative-speculative exercise which, as a university professor, I force myself to undergo several times each semester. It is not an easy exercise, and I have no reassurance that I ever complete it with anything like thorough-going success, but it is, I submit, a worthwhile exercise.

When I started teaching here at the University of Saint Francis nearly a decade ago now, I read James Lang's helpful book Life on the Tenure Track: Lessons from the First Year, in which he counsels professors in each class to offer, at least once a semester, the "Who Gives a Damn" lecture: who gives a damn about the Byzantine iconoclast crisis? or the debate over the two natures of Christ? or the rise of nominalist philosophy? He also encourages faculty to allow students to pose that question at any point in the semester about any matter under consideration.

Doing so often makes for vigorous and bracing classroom discussions in which students are allowed to ask: why is today's chapter about events 800 years ago relevant to me in 2016? Why do I need to know about this arcane political debate, or tortured bits of mathematical formula, or complex set of causes of World War I? Why should I care? Though challenging, and sometimes a little disconcerting because you never know where the conversation will go, our "Who Gives a Damn" sessions are ones I have come greatly to love as my students and I both open up windows to try to see better or at least a little differently.

These questions are precisely the ones that Orthodox Christians should be asking whether or not the council happens. (As of this writing, the Russian Church, to the surprise of precisely nobody, is trying to scupper the council because they are bullies and fear they will not be able to control the whole thing.) Why does a council matter? Who gives a damn whether it meets or not? What relevance will this have not just to Orthodox Christians around the world, but to other Christians and, perforce, to the world itself?

For it is obvious--I hope!--to the Orthodox themselves that in today's hyper-connected world, no council can take place in secret, and no council can be seen as an exclusively Orthodox preserve, having nothing to do with, and nothing to offer to, other Christians in particular and the world in general.

Instead the council must be prepared to interrogate itself: who gives a damn not just about this meeting, but about Orthodox Christianity itself? Why is it relevant? Why should I care about these people in their strange hats, with their long beards, longer liturgies, and exotic looking icons and churches bearing off-putting ethnic designations?

That is not a flippant question, and the answer to it is not difficult to surmise: millions of people around the world care about Orthodox Christianity, and millions more could potentially care if Orthodoxy did a better job of explaining itself and showing the world what it has to offer. With the press attention focused on a council, Orthodoxy has a privileged moment unlike any other in over a thousand years to reach myriads.

But to what end? What will all that attention be directed towards? Old men in debates over the diptychs, or trying to decide whether fish with/without backbones may be eaten during Lent? Patriarchs debating who has jurisdiction over tiny parishes in far-away countries (e.g., Qatar) of which we know nothing (to paraphrase Neville Chamberlain's infamous dismissal of Czechoslovakia in 1938)? If that is what comes of it, the media will quickly lose interest, and most people, Christians included, will yawningly ignore the rest of the gathering.

Here, with complete seriousness and sincerity, let me make the most ardent of pleas to the fathers of any upcoming council. I offer this not only as a scholar but especially as a lover of the Christian East in all her maddening messiness: deal with "housekeeping" questions if you must--fasting, calendars, primacy--but before and above all else answer the world's "Who gives a damn?" in clear, compelling ways that showcase the beauty and splendor of the East. Give people real, repeated, and unforgettable insights into Christianity in its Eastern forms. Show people, seriously but not sanctimoniously, why it was an Orthodox writer, Dostoevsky, who said that "beauty will save the world." Show the world the beauty not just of liturgy and iconography, but also the beauty that comes "when the brethren dwell together in unity," as the psalmist puts it.

Let the council, in other words, be a theophany, a place for the world to glimpse the beauty of God and to gain insights into the God of beauty. Let the council be a place where everyone points not to their own narrow or nationalistic agenda, but instead points to the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Let the council be a place of evangelism before all else and in all else.

I know many who, of course, will say "That's not what councils are for." But anyone who reads anything about Vatican II knows that councils are complex gatherings that do many things in addition to their officially stated purposes. And anyone who reads, or recalls, the massive media attention that Vatican II garnered will be able to tell Orthodoxy that its council will be a unique opportunity, unlikely to come again for centuries, and it should squeeze every last drop out of it for the glory of Christ and the spread of His life-giving message. The world today needs Christ more than ever, and Orthodoxy has unique and often under-utilized resources to make him known to the world in singular and saving ways.

Evangelism--no matter how many Orthodox like to froth at the mouth when I say this--goes hand-in-hand with ecumenism. But I have never, ever entertained notions from the swinging Sixties that "ecumenism" means we gut doctrine, junk creeds and liturgy, and sit around holding hands while singing guitar-driven songs about peace and brotherhood. No sane Catholic or Orthodox ecumenist or hierarch has ever advocated any of that rot.

Ecumenism must lead us to unity in the truth who is Christ, which is the same point as evangelism: Christ, and him alone. If done right, the upcoming Orthodox synod can be both evangelical and ecumenical, showing the world, including the Catholic Church, the face of Christ in unique and compelling ways that can be beneficial to all of us.

My hope and prayer is that any Orthodox gathering will realize it has much to offer not just to the world, but also to the Catholic Church. Orthodoxy has much that Catholics desperately need. In saying this, I am not for a moment granting a hearing to the triumphalistic and sanctimonious Orthodox apologetics one so often encounters on the internet. In saying this, I have in mind a passage from a book written by one of the foremost Roman Catholic theologians of our time, the English Dominican Aidan Nichols. In his 1999 book Christendom Awake: On Reenergizing the Church in Culture, Nichols wrote this:

At the present time, the Catholic Church, in many parts of the world, is undergoing one of the most serious crises in its history, a crisis resulting from a disorienting encounter with secular culture and compounded by a failure of Christian discernment on the part of many people over the last quarter century from the highest office-holders to the ordinary faithful. This crisis touches many aspects of Church life but notably theology and catechesis, liturgy and spirituality, religious life and Christian ethics at large. Orthodoxy is well placed to stabilize Catholicism in most if not all these areas (p.186; my emphasis).

It is, of course, too much to expect any one Orthodox synod to deal both with Orthodoxy's own internal issues and also to offer assistance to the much larger challenges besetting the Catholic Church. But a council could at least begin this process. And having met once, that very experience of meeting could relieve much of the anxiety about such an unknown entity as a council. We all have the experience of realizing that, having surmounted a hurdle once, it is often progressively easier to do so again each subsequent time. Having had a council in 2016, it could be easier to do so again in 2017, 2018, 2019, much as Vatican II met in multiple sessions over several years. The work could be spread out and accomplished more carefully and at greater length. There is no need to rush. Indeed, rushing would lead to disaster.

So let the work begin in serene patience and prayerful petition of the holy, consubstantial, and life-creating Trinity. Let the work end with the good news that the world so desperately needs to hear: Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and on those in the tombs giving life! No other message will make such a long-expected, long-delayed council worth the effort.


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1 posted on 01/29/2016 7:16:13 AM PST by NRx
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To: NRx

God Bless and Best Wishes To My Brothers And Sisters In Jesus Of The Orthodox Community With Their Synod.


2 posted on 01/29/2016 8:28:49 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: NRx

Amusing. A Catholic professor trying to instruct the Orthodox world on how a pan-Orthodox Council should work, and how it should include Catholic concerns. If the Catholics want to be part of such a council, their church should recant its schismatic doctrines and rejoin Orthodoxy. Otherwise they can be spectators like the rest of the non-Orthodox world. All are invited to become Orthodox, but none may dictate what Orthodoxy is from the outside.


3 posted on 01/29/2016 8:59:17 AM PST by Doug Loss
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To: Doug Loss
If you want amusing, you should watch the Lutheran Satire episode titled Frank the Hippie Pope and Bart the Patriarch Sing Love Songs.
4 posted on 01/29/2016 9:17:20 AM PST by Tao Yin
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To: NRx

Who, pray tell, does this fellow think he is? What a crock! The absolute last thing we need is some Latin from America telling us what we should do in our council!


5 posted on 01/29/2016 10:08:51 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Doug Loss
"If the Catholics want to be part of such a council, their church should recant its schismatic doctrines and rejoin Orthodoxy."

Alternatively, the Orthodox could be polite and allow Catholics to attend, as the Catholic Church has allowed Orthodox to attend councils...Or even better, the Orthodox could join the Uniate Churches in rejoining the Universal Church (however you want to cut it, either a gradual drift or an Orthodox departure, the Catholic Church was never a part of the Orthodox Church, and thus never "left Orthodoxy").

6 posted on 01/29/2016 11:51:49 AM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

(...the Catholic Church was never a part of the Orthodox Church, and thus never “left Orthodoxy”)

That depends on which version of history one is reading. Rome claims all of the other patriarchates left the Catholic Church. Our view is that Rome left the Church through her insensate, and often self serving, doctrinal innovations.


7 posted on 01/29/2016 1:04:22 PM PST by NRx (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: NRx
"Our view is that Rome left the Church through her insensate, and often self serving, doctrinal innovations."

Your view is historically unfeasible -- a reason not least of which being that doctrinal innovations were far more prevalent in the east.

8 posted on 01/29/2016 1:24:26 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

That is a patently absurd statement. You are saying that Rome can’t be heretical because heresy only occurs in the East? Seriously?


9 posted on 01/29/2016 1:28:44 PM PST by NRx (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Doug Loss

“Alternatively, the Orthodox could be polite and allow Catholics to attend, as the Catholic Church has allowed Orthodox to attend councils...”

Don’t hold your breath waiting for any generosity from the Eastern Orthodox. We can give them a free church they have no claim to (https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=20030525&id=Y4IgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UNAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1864,5713648&hl=en ) while they cannot muster up the guts to give our own churches back to us without public shaming: http://articles.latimes.com/1990-03-17/entertainment/ca-317_1_orthodox-church

I hope the pan-Orthodox council does some good. It would be great if they could solve some of their ridiculous problems (and we have plenty of our own), but I until I see it, I will have to assume little will be done about the HUGE issues like the schism in Ukraine. Without a pope, ain’t much gonna’ get done there about that!


10 posted on 01/29/2016 1:30:11 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: NRx
"That is a patently absurd statement. You are saying that Rome can’t be heretical because heresy only occurs in the East? Seriously?"

I'm saying that historically, i.e., in the time leading up to the schism, there was far more doctrinal moving/shaking and (sometimes violent) in-fighting in the eastern Church than there was in the west. The Roman Church was far more stable.

11 posted on 01/29/2016 1:42:27 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; NRx; redgolum; lightman; xzins

“I’m saying that historically, i.e., in the time leading up to the schism, there was far more doctrinal moving/shaking and (sometimes violent) in-fighting in the eastern Church than there was in the west. The Roman Church was far more stable.”

You Latins have far, far more than made up for that since 1054! Suppose that sorry 1000 year record has anything to do with embrace of heresy?


12 posted on 01/29/2016 2:31:47 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; Wyrd bið ful aræd; NRx; redgolum; lightman; Cronos

There are things about the Orthodox that I truly treasure, and if I were to leave my denomination in which I am ordained, it would probably be for the Orthodox or for another protestant group that I deeply admire.

I’ve been reading Greek Orthodox devotionals lately, and I’m impressed with the lives of past Christians that are presented. It’s a good thing to do. In a practical sense, we in the protestant movement always operate as if our generation is the only one that is significant.

I don’t know the schism you all refer to, but I will tell you that I wish it had never happened.


13 posted on 01/29/2016 2:44:32 PM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins
n a practical sense, we in the protestant movement always operate as if our generation is the only one that is significant.

Your words remind me of one of my favorite quotes from G.K. Chesteron:

"Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about."

Well timed as the Orthodox Church begins its annual celebration of the Three Hierarchs:

Apolytikion of Three Hierarchs in the First Tone

The three most great luminaries of the Three-Sun Divinity have illumined all of the world with the rays of doctrines divine and true;
they are the sweetly-flowing rivers of wisdom, who with godly knowledge have watered all creation in clear and mighty streams:
The great and sacred Basil, and the Theologian, wise Gregory, together with the renowned John, the famed Chrysostom of golden speech.
Let us all who love their divinely-wise words come together, honouring them with hymns;
for ceaselessly they offer entreaty for us to the Trinity.

14 posted on 01/29/2016 6:25:51 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; NRx; Kolokotronis
doctrinal innovations were far more prevalent in the east.

The doctrinal innovation of the Filiogue originated in Toledo, which was about as far to the west as one could be in the ninth century.

Let's be honest: doctrine was a tool used by power hungry monarchs (like Charlemagne) who used the Papacy for their own geopolitical purposes.

15 posted on 01/29/2016 6:34:00 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: lightman
"The doctrinal innovation of the Filiogue originated in Toledo, which was about as far to the west as one could be in the ninth century."

The Filioque verse didn't originate in Toledo -- it was discussed and examined by a host of saints and theologians ranging back quite early in the history of the Church, and has it's origins in Scripture.

"Let's be honest: doctrine was a tool used by power hungry monarchs (like Charlemagne) who used the Papacy for their own geopolitical purposes."

Several of the Eastern Roman/Byzantine emperors were guilty on this count -- the split arose between East and West partially as a result of imperial interference with the church in Constantinople. Charlemagne was crowned not only because Constantinople was too far away to influence European affairs, but because the pope couldn't/wouldn't recognize Empress Irene as the true leader of Christendom, in part because she sought undue influence over the Church.

Frankly (get it, tee hee), Charlemagne didn't attempt to use doctrine or the papacy for his own purposes that I can think of, and admittedly it's been a while since I studied the Carolingians. He certainly used religion in general as a tool to control his empire (fighting against pagans and such), but meddling with doctrine, not so much.

16 posted on 01/29/2016 6:57:28 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Kolokotronis

I have sometimes wondered if the fall of the East didn’t, in a small way, inoculate Orthodoxy from some of the rather interesting developments in the West.

It is hard to go to far afield when your life and faith is in danger. The West, until recently, never lived under that kind of threat.


17 posted on 01/30/2016 7:45:34 AM PST by redgolum
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To: NRx

As a biased (Lutheran) third party, I often wonder if it was both sides leaving each other. By the time of 1054, the East spoke Greek, and didn’t speak much Latin. The West spoke poor Latin, and knew no Greek. Reading the notes from the councils translated into Latin and Greek, they read totally different (full disclosure, I don’t read Greek). At some point, neither side really understood what the other was saying. Or wanted to.

The East was worried about all the barbarian Germans running around with church titles, and the West was worried that the effeminate Greeks would demand they perfume themselves and bow before them. Both had an idea that church unity meant that they had to reside under the same Empire, which was going to be impossible by then.


18 posted on 01/30/2016 7:51:32 AM PST by redgolum
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To: redgolum; NRx; lightman; xzins

Here’s how we pray:

“When You descended to death, O Immortal Life, then
the light of Your divinity destroyed Hades. When You raised the
dead from the depths of darkness, all the heavenly powers cried
out, “Glory to You our Christ, the Giver of Life.”

What’s not to understand... or to change?


19 posted on 01/30/2016 4:39:44 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

What is the disagreement as you understand it?


20 posted on 01/30/2016 5:03:14 PM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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