This guy?
Posted on 01/24/2016 12:28:18 PM PST by Phinneous
Brothers and sisters of the Most High (to quote Rabbi Singer,) Come hear a short discussion on the meaning of "sabbath," and how it's translation into English Bibles leads to misguided, not-Jewish (and even not-standard-Christian) interpretations.
Apologies to the host's use of the word "conspiracy" in the beginning of the discussion regarding the Christian doctrine of Lunar Sabbaths-- he's usually pretty sensitive. Rabbi Singer is always sensitive but pulls no punches, allegorically (I mean, come on-- he's a rabbi-- who's he gonna fight literally?)
Or these guys. High-Tech, check out the video— it’s all in the translation, baby!
Begin list of fighting Jews, literally:
Dimitry Salita: http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/salitas-story-part-of-jewish-museum-of-tolerance
Rabbi Yossi Eilfort: http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/01/14/chabad-rabbi-wins-first-mixed-martial-arts-fight-ring-name-the-rabbi-video/#
And a few more on Airplane’s leaflet of famous Jewish Sports Legends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoACIIz33II
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist that deniers the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father; but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” (1 John 2:22,23)
Jesus warns That none of us are to be called “Rabbi”.
“Be ye not called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all he are brethren.” (Matthew 23:6)
Many Christian are unfamiliar with these verses because they don’t read their Bibles. They read commentaries or listen to preaching that demonstrates biblical ignorance or worse.
I admit to having entertained the Lunar Sabbath for a moment - One thing it offered that is very attractive is that the Sabbath Day cannot be lost.
Understand me: Abraham’s children seem to have lost the Sabbath day during their stay in Egypt. It had to be taught to them in the manna... And I have been long enough in the deep woods as to forget the days of the week - It is incredibly easy to do, at least for me. For that reason, I began to wonder how one might recover the Sabbath Day, if one has lost it.
In the vast timepiece that the Father has made, all the rest of his moedim can be determined... but the Sabbath Day, to the best of my knowledge, cannot. That is bothersome to me. You would think it would also be able to be calculated.
In the end, I resolved to agree with the Jews. But for me, my original question remains unanswered. If it becomes lost, how does one find the Sabbath again?
The crux of the class is on translation of “sabbath” and the misguided assumptions that flow from it’s mistranslation. Pretend he is Grand Poobah of the Royal Order of Waterbuffalo if you want. He’s discussing your Old Testament. Don’t you want to know what it means?
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence." - Colossians 2:16-23
My takeaway from Paul's teaching is this - when "tradition, rules or culture" become your God or your Way - you are missing it.
Yeshua said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father (Abba) but through Me! This is the essence of Christianity.
Sounds like an anti-missionary to the Jews. He is very good at what he does but he gives himself away as being deceptive or ignorant of the King James Bible. He also does not get around to Septuagint scripture as this was not done by Christians an evidently is a none issue for him. His message though was to debunk Lunar Sabbath which is spot on.
Bingo, he is a counter-missionary, but only expounds scripture. (ie, not rabbinic sources.)
I would agree - Which is why I disagree with your reading of Col 2
Yeshua said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father (Abba) but through Me! This is the essence of Christianity.
The same Yeshua who told us to keep Torah, and to do the commandments? That Yeshua?
The Rabbi did claim that men were to imitate God by keeping the Sabbath day from Genesis 2. That is because God made creation for Man and then rested. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Then he talked of the the building of the tabernacle and the names of the men in charge of in conjunction to imitating God. Hebrews says the temple was a model of what was in heaven too. The Rabbi is in need of prayer that he may find out who Jesus is.
To bad there are some in Christendom advocating worshiping the creation.
Why would someone so well-versed in the actual, authentic, orginal Bible have to know a thing about some translation? Especially a chrstian one?
Would you say that the debunkage came from his knowledge of the Hebrew?
Jesus warns That none of us are to be called "Rabbi".
"Be ye not called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all he are brethren." (Matthew 23:6)
Many Christian are unfamiliar with these verses because they don't read their Bibles. They read commentaries or listen to preaching that demonstrates biblical ignorance or worse.
Or maybe the "new testament" doesn't belong in the Bible at all, anymore than the koran or the book of mormon?
Funny that chrstians never notice that their "old testament" heroes never "accepted J*sus into their hearts" or were baptized or anything. Oh wait a minute; they do. That's why they have to retroject chrstianity back into the TaNa"KH.
“Why would someone so well-versed in the actual, authentic, orginal Bible have to know a thing about some translation? Especially a chrstian one?”
Because he referenced it as an example.
No he had it debunk at Genisis 2. In Exodus 25 God states it is a pattern. But the letter to the Hebrews 8 Jesus is the fulfillment of that pattern. Men are to imitate God even if we are imperfect Christians are perfected through Jesus.
The law is holy. The Torah is holy. Men are not.
The following excerpts from Trumpet Ministries offer a fair explanation to the seeming contradictory views of Yeshua and Paul:
If we really believe that the writings of the Apostle Paul are the inerrant Word of God, then we must accept the fact that we are under no part of the Law of Moses.
How, then, do we reconcile the statements of the Lord Jesus concerning the Law? "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
And what does Paul means when he says "the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith; now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law?
It sounds like the Lord Jesus is saying the Law is still in force. It sounds like Paul is saying the Law has been done away with.
Can these two apparently contradictory statements be reconciled. If so, how?
In the seventh chapter of the Book of Romans, Paul tells us that the Law of Moses, instead of guiding him into righteousness, caused sin to come to life in him. He wanted to obey the law but his sinful nature caused him to disobey the Law.
Then, in the eighth chapter, Paul explains the relationship of the Law to our salvation in Christ. Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, (Romans 8:1)
Paul is addressing Jews, telling them that they can look up from the scroll of the Law and put their faith in Jesus, and yet be without condemnation. The righteousness they were seeking under the Law is given to them through Christ.
It is difficult for Gentiles to understand the text of the New Testament because we do not realize how important the Law was to the Jews. After all, the large church in Jerusalem under Pastor James comprised thousands of Christian Jews, all keeping the Law of Moses. Paul's epistles reflect his continuing struggle to persuade the Jews to turn from the Law to Christ. Our misunderstanding of Paul's reasoning have caused us to believe Paul was saying now that we have faith in Christ we do not have to live righteously. Actually Paul was teaching now that we have faith in Christ we do not have to keep the Law of Moses. A vast and significant difference. A misunderstanding of this difference has produced moral chaos in the Christian churches and has made Paul's writings appear to contradict themselves.
Because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:2) The law of the Spirit of life is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit Himself is our Law, under the new covenant. The law of sin and death is explained in the preceding chapter. It is the interaction of the Law of Moses and our sinful nature. The Law of Moses condemns the actions of our sinful nature, thus producing death in us.
Paul is saying the law of the Spirit of life sets us free from the death produced by the interaction of the Law of Moses and our sinful nature. Remember, Paul's motive in writing such statements is to convince Jews ("I speak to those who know the Law") that the salvation that is in Christ is superior to the Law of Moses.
Quote-If it becomes lost, how does one find the Sabbath again?
By knowing the Messiah of Israel was born on a New Moon Day..by watching His Creation and using His Word (like Revelation 12:1, which details His birth)
and then the calendar in Scripture, detailed pattern in Ezekiel 46:1, tells us the Sabbath is the 8th,15th,22nd,29thth days of every month.
The first Sabbath in the wilderness was on the 22nd Day of the 2nd month. (Manna began on the 16th and continued till the 21st)
The 16th of the 1st month is also the commemoration of the Messiah raised from the grave after He rested on the weekly (and annual) Sabbath on the 15th Day. It is always a work Day on the Father’s calendar He taught Israel.
He changes not. But Rome has changed times and laws. Just like Daniel said would happen!
When is the Sabbath. It starts with knowing what a new moon day is...and religion doesn’t do a good job of that..
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