Posted on 11/25/2015 10:50:25 AM PST by damonw
POST IS TOO LONG TO POST ALL HERE - A F.A.I.R. Mormon Apologist by the name of CC (CleanCut) submitted a response to ALL 17 of the claims in this post 17 Little Known Facts About the Mormons
What follows is,,,
1. the 17 facts as stated by Challengemin.org
2. CCs comments. (You see CCs original comments for verification on the above post comments section)
3. my (Damons) counter comments.
FACT #1 The Mormon Church teaches ALL other Churches are WRONG; ALL their creeds are an ABOMINATION in the sight of God; and ALL their teachers are corrupt.
One of the Mormon Books of Scripture, The Pearl of Great Price, says this about non-LDS churches: … they were ALL WRONG and the Personage who addressed me said that ALL their creeds were an ABOMINATION in his sight; that those professors were ALL CORRUPT.(Joseph Smith 2:19).
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CC: The truth about this fact is that The LDS Church teaches that all churches have some truth, just not the fullness of the truth. This particular quote refers to the creeds of the churches that we believe are wrong, but not that all the individual Christians who follow them are wrong in their sincere desire to follow Christ the best they know how.
DAMON: Mormonism is built on the First visions of Joseph Smith. And while there are 3 contradictory accounts of this First Vision, they all agree in making the false assertion that Christianity is apostate and an abomination to God. Mormonism has this in common with all churchs (Christian cults) that started from Campbells Restoration Movement.
This post shows what Mormon leaders have always said, and still do say about Christianity. AND IT AINT NICE
So Joel Osteen says Mormons are Christians, But what do Mormons say about Christianity?
(Excerpt) Read more at discerningsounddoctrine.wordpress.com ...
FACT 18: This is blog pimping.
FACT 20: Only idiots take cheap shots at what is the most conservative voting large demographic in America. Or those on the other side. But I repeat myself.
Mormonism is a cult. Jesus is not Satan’s brother. Adam was not a good Mormon who got his own world with his wife Eve. Remember: DO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
Like their beliefs or not, there is one fact that stands out: Mormons do not try to remove your head for not believing as they do or for not submitting to their system.
Joel Osteen’s version of Christianity, I’m guessing (just a bit), would neither acknowledge nor comport with the central, foundational truth and assurance encapsulated in Ephesians 2:8-9.
At least not since Mountain Meadows...
hehe true that.
Don’t be obtuse. He’s saying Mormons are not murdering terrorists, whatever their religion. Do you dispute that?
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As for me:
The mountain meadows massacre displayed an ‘infidelic’ attitude to anyone passing through their territory.
To actually amass a separate standing army, and in effect, threaten war with the U.S. government, again, displays their ‘infidelic’ attitude.
Since the last written passages in the bible are from John’s hand, warning that no editing or redacting occur, i consider both the Jehovah’s Witless AND the mormons to be doggerel aberrations and cults.
I do not claim that any FReeper stated so. I simply do not consider Mormons to be undesirables (like Muslims, for instance) as some FReepers appear to view them.
“I simply do not consider Mormons to be undesirables”
The mormonic cult is evil. Members are victims. Many, many, many good people are trapped inside mormonism.
It just wouldn’t be a LDS thread withoutcha!
I have been Mormon All of my life .... my ancestors were early members and pioneers of the LDS Church, my great-great-great-grandparents knew Joseph Smith. I engaged in a two year LDS prostyliting Mission in Africa, I was a commissioned Officer in the US Army, I am a Licensed Civil Engineer, I am a proud American, I have a wonderful family, and I worship Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. I feel the spirit of the Holy Ghost when I commune with God.
I do not; however, believe in the Nicene Creed.
Sorry, I just don’t see the “Evil” that you do.
Maybe YOUR the one who is in error.
Merry Smithmas to all, and a McConkie New Year!
;^)
“I have been Mormon All of my life .... my ancestors were early members and pioneers of the LDS Church, my great-great-great-grandparents knew Joseph Smith. I engaged in a two year LDS prostyliting Mission in Africa,”
Indeed. I am truly sorry for what was done to you and what your actions may have done to ensnare others in the cult of mormonism. I would suggest, however, that you do not make this thread about yourself.
“I worship Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. I feel the spirit of the Holy Ghost when I commune with God.”
Which Jesus Christ are you referring to in that statement:
1. The Jesus Christ of Scripture, who was and is and evermore shall be, eternally God. Neither Created nor made? The Savior who died to pay the full penalty of sin on the cross?
OR
2. The Mormonic Jesus, who was a created spirit-being, who came to earth and earned his way to godhood, by swooning in the garden and who can not save?
It is worth noting here for readers that mormonism teaches that there are AT LEAST 4 Earth Gods: Heavenly Father, who used to be a man, Heavenly Mother (may be more than one), Swooning Jesus, who became a God, and the Holy Spirit, who was naughty and never got a body. In addition, there are millions or billions or trillions of other mormonic gods. Heck, you may intend to become one yourself teppe. Do you?
“I do not; however, believe in the Nicene Creed.”
Many people who cannot read and who have never read the Nicene Creed, have come to faith in the real Jesus Christ and are saved. They did not do so by adding to what God said about Him. They put there faith in the Christ of Scripture.
“Sorry, I just don’t see the “Evil†that you do.”
It is always difficult to be objective about a system that you are part of.
“Maybe YOUR the one who is in error.”
God’s Word is not in error. The mormonic cult additions to Scripture add all kinds of evil errors to God’s plan of salvation.
The mountain meadows massacre displayed an ‘infidelic’ attitude to anyone passing through their territory.
To actually amass a separate standing army, and in effect, threaten war with the U.S. government, again, displays their ‘infidelic’ attitude.
Since the last written passages in the bible are from John’s hand, warning that no editing or redacting occur, i consider both the Jehovah’s Witless AND the mormons to be doggerel aberrations and cults.
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I don't have a horse in this race so I am very reluctant to chime in but when a person displays such gross ignorance of the facts I have to make a statement.
The mountain meadows massacre was indeed a massacre. The wagon trains were poisoning the wells and ponds and any water they came across out of spite for the Mormons. Out west water is everything, when you poisoned a source of water it killed the livestock and people, what the Mormons did may not have been right but I understand their anger. There was never much proof that this wagon train did any of the poisoning and a trial would have been nice but it wasn’t the first time lives were lost without a trial. The Mormons had plenty of innocent lives lost at the barrel of a gun well before this.
Since at them time you refer to a standing army the Mormons had been raided driven off the land they owned, had their homes and property burned to the ground and murdered many times and since they were not in the United States it seems only logical that they would have an army. Militias were popular then and still are.
There is likely no Biblical scholar that believes that The Book of Revelations was the last book written in the Bible. The Holy Bible was compiled as a volume hundreds of years after John. Interestingly the Book of Deuteronomy makes the same statement. Both of those books being written prior to the compilation of the Bible in your words would preclude all the other books. They referred to themselves. The Bible is a compilation of books, a group of books put together. Revelations is a Book. Anyone who adds to or takes away from the Book of Revelations is condemned to suffer the plagues mentioned in that book.
Mormons and JW’s may well be cults, I personally don't think so but what I think has little to do with whether they are or aren't but the reasons listed above are certainly not reason to believe Mormons are a cult.
Jesus says in Matthew 7:20 “that by their fruits ye shall know them”. They got a lot of good fruits. One of their prophets said “you can't have the fruits without the roots.
If you want to say something bad about a group at least try to make it truthful. When people say stupid stuff about others it only lends legitimacy to the group they are speaking about.
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