Don’t Apologize for Apologetics

Aletelia ^ | November 11, 2015 | FR DWIGHT LONGENECKER

[metmom]

I remeber reading that one right here on FR

[metmom]

Scientists can certainly determine that something happened at Fatima.

I don’t see any one denying that.

What is the issue is the source of the apparition.

It leads away from Christ, is all Mary focused, hence it’s demonic.

Satan can do wonders and what we consider miraculous things, just as pharaoh’s magicians did in copying the first few of. God’s miraculous judgments on Egypt.

[verga]

It leads away from Christ, is all Mary focused, hence it’s demonic.

In your OPINION. It has drawn many people to a true devotion to CHRIST and hence it can't be demonic. but don't let the truth get in the way of a honest to goodness real hatred.

[Jim Robinson]

Mine too.

[Jim Robinson]

I don’t belong to any organized religion... or church organization either. I’m a follower of Jesus Christ. He is my church.

[kinsman redeemer]

AMEN!

[boatbums]

Thank you. God bless you, Jim.

[metmom]

Have you checked the CCC lately?

Is that not dogma?

Here......

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

Number 964, where the terms are used.

So then, again, the CCC is not dogma for Catholics?

[ealgeone]

You really need to quit playing chess.

[verga]

You are so cute when you think you are speaking intelligently.

[ealgeone]

Why thank you!

[metmom]

Drawn people to Christ?

And. you know that how?

The whole focus of Fatima is Mary.

The apparition claimed it wanted devotion to the immaculate heart of Mary. That is leading away from Christ, hence demonic.

Devotion should be to Jesus alone.

[verga]

IN YOUR OPINION! And we have seen how often that is wrong.

[rwa265]

Here......

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

Number 964, where the terms are used.

So then, again, the CCC is not dogma for Catholics?

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Two of the three terms are used.

The term Co-Redemptrix is not used and has never formed part of the dogma of the Church. There have been efforts over the centuries to include this term as dogma; recent high level comments have not been encouraging.

Mediatrix and Advocate are part of the dogma. The following definition for Mediator/Mediatrix can be found in the Glossary of the CCC.

MEDIATOR/MEDIATRIX: One who links or reconciles separate or opposing parties. Thus Jesus Christ is the “one mediator between God and the human race” (1 Tm 2:5). Through his sacrificial offering he has become high priest and unique mediator who has gained for us access to God’s saving grace for humanity. Moreover, Mary too is sometimes called Mediatrix in virtue of her cooperation in the saving mission of Christ, who alone is the unique mediator between God and humanity (618, 1544; cf. 970).

Peace,
Rich

[cloudmountain]

Thank you for your post. It was illuminating to me again.
I read about it every once in a while.
Jesus ascended into heaven; Mary couldn't ascend so her entrance to heaven was passive in the Assumption.

[redleghunter]

Good new! You can now call for confession to come to you! If you see this mobile confessional, please tell the good padre the rear passenger side tire is down 8-10 psi.

[boatbums]

Thanks for yet another example of how Jim wants us to NOT talk to each other.

[verga]

Thanks for yet another example of how Jim wants us to NOT talk to each other.

To quote your defacto leader: "I see that someone is projecting."

[kinsman redeemer]

[ealgeone]

Nice!