The Impractical Catholic’s Guide to Infallibility

Catholic Stand ^ | October 10, 2015 | Anthony S. Layne

[NYer]

Does God speak to the pope?

The same way he speaks to you.

Does the pope speak for God?

The same way you speak to him.

Where does he get his infallible pronouncements from?

Christ instructed the Church to preach everything he taught (Matt. 28:19–20) and promised the protection of the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13). That mandate and that promise guarantee the Church will never fall away from his teachings (Matt. 16:18, 1 Tim. 3:15), even if individual Catholics might.

[ealgeone]

Nyer posted: Perhaps I missed it. Where in the above article does it state that God speaks to the pope?

Perhaps comprehension isn't your strong suit or nyer doesn't understand how the pope get his messages.

Or he is being disingenuous.

[ealgeone]

So now God does speak to the pope. Is that your final answer? Because you questioned this in a prior post. Or were you not being factual or just a smarty pants?

[ealgeone]

I’m a Chritian and the Greek is against roman cathlicism.

[verga]

Please refresh my memory, is this the second or third thread that you have claimed expertise in Greek and offered no proof. You have also failed to offer any citations from secular/ unbiased sources that would support your case.

[metmom]

How do you know how God speaks to me? How can you say that it’s the same way.

If that’s the case, then there’s no need for the pope. I can go right to God and cut out the middle man.

I asked if the pope spoke FOR God, not TO God.

That last stuff doesn’t answer the question of where the pope gets his infallible pronouncements from.

[ealgeone]

Currently studying for a Graduate Certificate in Greek at an accredited seminary. Two classes down, two more to go. When completed with this, I plan to continue to study of Greek. There is a lot to learn.

My Greek sources include William Mounce, Bruce M. Metzger, and Daniel B. Wallace.

In prior posts, not necessarily on this thread, I've cited their work when warranted per academic requirement.

The beauty of the Greek is that it is not denominational. Msgr Pope, in an article recently posted by Salvation, indicated he was discovering the Greek.

I sincerely believe if all believers had a working knowledge of Greek, we'd have a lot fewer disagreements on the issues.

Anymore questions?

[ealgeone]

How do you know how God speaks to me? How can you say that it’s the same way.

If that’s the case, then there’s no need for the pope. I can go right to God and cut out the middle man.

And that's the crux of the issue. Take away the pope and away goes the control of the roman catholic church.

In the NT we see numerous examples of God speaking through men via the Holy Spirit. He does not limit His communication to just one individual.

It's one of the reasons He has given us His Word.

[vladimir998]

“Infallibility is an impossibility, due to our sin nature...”

It’s GOD’S INFALLIBILITY, not man’s. I bet you believe scripture is infallible, right? Didn’t men write that down? “Oh, but it was God’s inspiration” you would say, right? Exactly! God protects the Church. It’s HIS INFALLIBILITY.

[ealgeone]

You cherry picked his statement....something catholics are good at.

Popman: >>Infallibility is an impossibility, due to our sin nature...

RCC history proves it...<<

The rcc teaching on indulgences proves his point as do the false teachings on Mary.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“2. Sola Scriptura is more than supported. Scripture is the only source of infallible, authoritative, inspired truth, as the Scripture itself states over and over.”

Really? You are not familiar enough with the hundreds of verses that uphold God’s Word as:

infallible
authoritative
inspired?

If you are not, it is time to find a Bible and crack it open and read!

In the meantime, this thread is about the claim of Rome to be infallible. I noted that even the author of the article couldn’t find a single verse that says what he claims.

Best.

[verga]

So we are at roughly the same level of education, using the same sources. I will stick with the accepted interpretation.

[ealgeone]

How does Wallace and/or or Mounce interpret Luke 1:28?

[ealgeone]

make that translate Luke 1:28.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Spoken like a true barbarian anti-intellectual.

"Anti-intellectualism" is a leftist smear. Catholics have often been the victims of the charge in the past but I notice that that doesn't keep them from using it on Fundamentalist Protestants whom they look down on.

I must ask you . . . do these people look like Profound Intellectuals to you?

I'll bet you think they are just the pride of Catholicism in their simplicity. That being the case, why does the simplicity of American Fundamentalist Protestants so offend you? Is this really a question of "our bumpkins are superior to your bumpkins???"

I advise you in the future to try to restrain yourself from posting ethnic slurs about rural America as you co-religionists are so fond of doing. I make note of every one of them.

You are one of the better Catholic posters here. I hope you will drop the big city hyper rationalism banner when debating with American Protestants.

[Iscool]

According to your religion Peter was the chief apostle to the Catholic Church...

According to the God inspired scriptures the apostle Paul was the chief apostle to the Gentile church...Apparently then the Catholic religion is not affiliated with the Gentile church spoken of at length in the scriptures...

And while Paul was our chief apostle we are told by that man thru the inspiration of God not to focus on any man...So we focus on Jesus Christ...

The bible that your religion claims to own condemns the practices of the Catholic religion in numerous places...So it’s easy to see why your religion doesn’t accept the inspired words of God as its supreme authority...

Just watching your religion and reading the scriptures shows us conclusively that your Catholic religion is NOT the Christian church of the bible...

So with the condemnation of scripture it stands to reason that your religion, by perverting scripture and taking scripture completely out of context, that your religion would invent an ‘infallible authority’ beyond the words of God...

I would too if I wanted to deceive people...

[DuncanWaring]

+1.

[metmom]

Jesus didn't tell us to follow Peter or any other man.

He told us to follow HIM.

Matthew 4:19 And he said to them, “Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.”

Matthew 8:22 And Jesus said to him, “Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead.”

Matthew 9:9 As Jesus passed on from there, he saw a man called Matthew sitting at the tax booth, and he said to him, “Follow me.” And he rose and followed him.

Matthew 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Mark 1:17 And Jesus said to them, “Follow me, and I will make you become fishers of men.”

Mark 2:14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax booth, and he said to him, “Follow me.” And he rose and followed him.

Mark 8:34 And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

Mark 10:21 And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Luke 5:27 After this he went out and saw a tax collector named Levi, sitting at the tax booth. And he said to him, “Follow me.”

Luke 9:23 And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.

Luke 9:59 To another he said, “Follow me.” But he said, “Lord, let me first go and bury my father.”

Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

John 1:43 The next day Jesus decided to go to Galilee. He found Philip and said to him, “Follow me.”

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

John 12:26 If anyone serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.

John 21:19 And after saying this he said to him, “Follow me.”

John 21:22 Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!”

[verga]

They neither interpret or translate it.

[ealgeone]

They neither interpret or translate it.

You sure about that?

Luke 1:28 Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament (MOUNCE)

..and he came to her and said, "greetings, highly favored one, the Lord is with you!"

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