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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“Whole families never baptized? Hmm, that would be news to the jailer and his family in Acts 16:33.”

It would not, since the passage does not say “family”, nor “infant”, nor “child”. It literally says, “he and his” with no following word.

“Christian theology is based on revelation and that revelation came from the Apostles.”

The inspired parts are clearly written in Scripture.

“Christians are commanded to hold firm to this Apostolic Tradition, whether received by letter or word of mouth.”

We do not know what those traditions were. I’ve requested the list numerous times here. I you have the official list of Pauline traditions he referred to, please, for the sake of all Christians, post it here. But of course, there is not official list. Nor can one be produced in an unbroken chain from Paul.

“The Church has followed the Apostolic Tradition of baptizing infants.”

Than you should be easily able to produce one instance of an infant being baptized by an Apostle. Please show us for the sake of all. But there are none in Scripture. Nor are there any in Christian writings, secular writings, nor art before 100 ad.

“The Church received the commission to teach and baptize from Jesus Christ............it can’t force anyone to listen.”

Baptism is always right for a person who comes to saving faith in Christ, as an act of obedience and testimony to others.


139 posted on 10/06/2015 5:57:39 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What does “he and his” mean?? “His” means his whole family and every translator realizes that.

The Holy Spirit wrote the Bible in such a way that anyone who wants to reject the authority Jesus gave to His Church can pull a verse or two out of context and start a whole movement as history will attest. Such is the case with the anabaptists in the 16th century. Those that follow this tradition of men demand the Church show them where the Apostles baptized babies. The Apostolic Tradition can only be kept by those who have Apostolic Succession. Of course we live in an age where anything goes and since the two witnesses are dead, the world rejoices at their corpses.

We were told false teachers would arise, so we aren’t surprised.


140 posted on 10/06/2015 6:37:11 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Btw, where does the Bible teach that baptism:

1. Is done out of obedience?
2. Is a testimony for others?

Both statements are foreign to the Scriptures.


141 posted on 10/06/2015 6:40:09 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Than you should be easily able to produce one instance of an infant being baptized by an Apostle. Please show us for the sake of all. But there are none in Scripture. Nor are there any in Christian writings, secular writings, nor art before 100 ad.

The tradition of the one holy catholic apostolic church is to baptize whole families (households), adults as well as children, follows the example of circumcision, albeit it is not circumcision. The tradition to withhold baptism from children is modern.

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

First Corinthians, Catholic chapter ten, Protestant verses one to five,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

142 posted on 10/06/2015 6:45:26 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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