**That is explained in the Athanasian Creed.**
A brief example of the confusion trinitarian ‘creeds’ display is shown in the following numbered lines from a posting of the so-called ‘Athanasian Creed’:
**10. The Father is eternal: the Son eternal: the Holy Spirit eternal.
22. The Son is of the Father alone: not made; nor created; but begotten.**
Eternal=begotten??
The following statement is contradictory to the verse which follows it.
**25. And in this Trinity none is before or after another: none is greater or less than another.**
“..I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” John 14:28
And this:
**12. As also there are not three uncreated: nor three immeasurable: but one uncreated, and one immeasurable.**
??
So there are TWO that ARE created, and TWO that ARE measurable??
More confusion:
**13. So likewise the Father is almighty: the Son almighty: and the Holy Spirit almighty.**
If one is almighty, there is no need for the others. If one needs the others, that one is not almighty.
And these next ones......????
17. So the Father is Lord: the Son Lord: and the Holy Spirit Lord.
18. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord:
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, there are three Gods, or three Lords.
????
Now who is it that is the author of confusion?
How does a ‘trinitarian’ explain this: “But of that day and hour knoweth....my Father only” (the ‘2nd and 3rd persons of God’ don’t know??)?
Did the Son of God inherit his name ‘Jesus’? Yes. Jn 5:43 and Heb. 1:4
Why is the phrase ‘Son of God’ found many times in scripture, but the phrase ‘God the Son’ is found nowhere in scripture?
Here’s a list of words and references, showing who was the original provider of knowledge (and all other things divine as well):
gave: 3:16, 10:29, 12:49, 14:31
gavest: 17:4,6,8,12,22, 18:9
give: 14:6, 15:16, 16:23
given: 3:35, 5:26,27,36, 6:39,65, 7:39, 13:3, 17:2(2),7,8,9,11,24(2)
received: 10:18
send: 14:26, 15:26, 17:8, Acts 3:20
sent: 3:17,34, 4:34, 5:23,24,30,36,37,38, 6:29,38,39,40,44,57, 7:16,18,28,29,33, 8:16,18,26,29,42, 9:4, 10:36, 11:42, 12:44,45,49, 13:16,20, 14:24, 15:21, 16:5, 17:3,18,21,23,25, 20:21
will (noun): 4:34, 5:30(2), 6:38,39,40, 7:17
will (verb): 5:20, 11:22, 12:26, 14:26, 15:26, 16:23
word and words (actually there are others that should be included, but the Son made it clear in the following ones whose ‘words’ they were): 3:34, 14:24, 17:6,8,14,17
work and works: 4:34, 5:20,36(2), 9:4, 10:25,37,38, 14:10, 17:4
doctrine: 7:16,17: “My doctrine is NOT mine, but HIS that SENT me. If any man will do HIS will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of GOD, or whether I speak of myself.”
That’s over 100 references (from the book of John alone) showing that the Son’s source of ALL things divine, ALL power, ALL wisdom, etc., is from God the Father. There are plenty more alluding to the same.
BUT......here is a question for you: With your separate and distinct persons of God theology; can you quote a scripture that shows the FATHER receiving anything divine from the Son?
When you place the Father (Spirit) in the Son (divinely created flesh, with a soul), you have defined Jesus Christ in the simplest of terms.
Christ is here speaking of Himself as the Messiah-sent. In this capacity, as perfect man and mediator, He is lesser than the Father. In His divine self, however, Christ is almighty:
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Eternal=begotten??
Eternally begotten, always proceeding from the Father. Christ is the Word of God and His Wisdom. The Father could never exist without the Son. There was never a time they were ever a part. Hence in "the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This is the same God, but a separate person from the Father.
So there are TWO that ARE created, and TWO that ARE measurable??
It doesn't say that. That part only explains that the Holy Spirit and Christ are uncreated. Christ made all things. He was never Himself made.
Now who is it that is the author of confusion?
You simply don't understand Trinitarian theology. There is nothing wrong with the text.
How does a ‘trinitarian’ explain this: “But of that day and hour knoweth....my Father only” (the ‘2nd and 3rd persons of God’ don’t know??)?
Of Christ's human nature, which was said to "grow in knowledge." But in His divine nature, He is omniscient.
That’s over 100 references (from the book of John alone) showing that the Son’s source of ALL things divine, ALL power, ALL wisdom, etc., is from God the Father. There are plenty more alluding to the same.
Which would mean that Christ is not God, but a created being. But Christ is clearly God "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God", "Before Abraham was, I am," "Unto the Son [God] saith, thy throne, O God, is forever and ever," therefore you are in error.
2 things. First, trying to understand the Trinity with the human mind is impossible. Second, always use original language when you find a difficult scripture passage.
John 3:16 doesn't use the word "begotten", it uses the Greek work "monogenes", which has 2 primary definitions. The definition that's important here defines begotten as "the only one of its kind within a specific relationship".
Hebrews 11:17 (KJV) describes Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son". Does this prove that the Bible is false?
The Athanasian creed correctly states that Jesus was not created. You can not use the word begotten to prove that Jesus is not eternal.
Twisting other scriptural verses does not change God's truth.