Christ is here speaking of Himself as the Messiah-sent. In this capacity, as perfect man and mediator, He is lesser than the Father. In His divine self, however, Christ is almighty:
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Eternal=begotten??
Eternally begotten, always proceeding from the Father. Christ is the Word of God and His Wisdom. The Father could never exist without the Son. There was never a time they were ever a part. Hence in "the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This is the same God, but a separate person from the Father.
So there are TWO that ARE created, and TWO that ARE measurable??
It doesn't say that. That part only explains that the Holy Spirit and Christ are uncreated. Christ made all things. He was never Himself made.
Now who is it that is the author of confusion?
You simply don't understand Trinitarian theology. There is nothing wrong with the text.
How does a ‘trinitarian’ explain this: “But of that day and hour knoweth....my Father only” (the ‘2nd and 3rd persons of God’ don’t know??)?
Of Christ's human nature, which was said to "grow in knowledge." But in His divine nature, He is omniscient.
That’s over 100 references (from the book of John alone) showing that the Son’s source of ALL things divine, ALL power, ALL wisdom, etc., is from God the Father. There are plenty more alluding to the same.
Which would mean that Christ is not God, but a created being. But Christ is clearly God "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God", "Before Abraham was, I am," "Unto the Son [God] saith, thy throne, O God, is forever and ever," therefore you are in error.
God never came among us, He only sent a prophet named Jesus as far as they are concerned.
This is nothing but a halfway house to the Koran.
I quoted: “..I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” John 14:28
You said: **Christ is here speaking of Himself as the Messiah-sent. In this capacity, as perfect man and mediator, He is lesser than the Father.**
Thank you for your personal opinion. That’s all it is. Because, you see, in just a few verses you’ve already forgotten how Jesus Christ defines the relationship with the Father:
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or believe me for the very works sake.” Jn 14:10,11.
**In His divine self, however, Christ is almighty:**
And then you go and quote Rev. 1:8, STILL forgetting that God the Father is IN Christ, just like he said.
**Christ made all things.**
Well, with your co-equal, co-powerful, separate and distinct ‘first’ and ‘second’ persons of God.........What pray tell did the Father make?
I mean, with you putting “God the Holy Ghost” (not a scriptural phrase) back in third place, when at least he made Mary conceive.
Jesus Christ explained that all of his divine power and wisdom (including the words that he spoke)was from the Father in him. (sure, his mortal man was complete with a will of the flesh). He went on to explain that the Spirit of truth (the Holy Ghost) does the will of the Father:
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall NOT speak of himself; but WHATSOEVER he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.’ 16:13
**Eternally begotten, always proceeding from the Father. Christ is the Word of God and His Wisdom. The Father could never exist without the Son. There was never a time they were ever a part. Hence in “the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” This is the same God, but a separate person from the Father.**
You say all that, when God has no beginning (pretty hard to fathom). The Son credited all of the words that he spoke to being told him from the Father. Try again.
My words are not a separate and distinct person from me. They don’t come from my body. They come from my mind. God gave me a body to express the words that come to my mind.
God is a Spirit. He made a body (his Son) to express his words to man at man’s level. A living, breathing, feeling man; perfect in every way. Able to take the sins of the world upon himself, and redeem fallen man.
**Which would mean that Christ is not God, but a created being. But Christ is clearly God “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”,**
Keep in mind, the following is presented using your separate and distinct, co-equal Gods idea:
the Son is the Word, and the Father in NOT the Word. So did the Father just put the Son’s words in a hard drive somewhere, until the Son needed them? But then there’s that pesky problem about the Son saying repeatedly that the words that he spoke were not his, but the Father’s.
“Before Abraham was, I am,”
See, he’s speaking the Words that were given from the Father (that dwells in him).
“Unto the Son [God] saith, thy throne, O God, is forever and ever,”
There can only be one “thy throne”. Is the separate and distinct Father conceding ownership of the throne? No. The omnipresent Father now has image to dwell in, to actually, physically, sit on a throne. That image was obedient to the Father in all things, even unto death.
I will answer the others tomorrow. I must jam gears in six hours. Good night!