Hating Catholics–America’s ONLY Accepted Prejudice

http://shoebat.com/2014/04/12/hating-catholics-americas-accepted-prejudice/ ^ | April 12, 2014 | Walid Shoebat

[avenir]

I love your well written explanation here. Very helpful and practical to me. Thank you.

[avenir]

“Man’s inability to correctly discern God’s Word does not invalidate it nor mean that relying on it alone is not valid.”

Amen. Barring exceptions (e.g. those without access to Scripture), where does one receive wisdom from God? Those who go away from or pooh-pooh the Word usually tout “experiences” and “inspiration” as if those are superior to FAITH WITHOUT SEEING.

Gods Word remains fresh and green and STABLE when experiences and inspiration are all over the map.

[af_vet_1981]

I see the flaw in the logic of your argument here.

We have the Messiah naming Cephas "Rock" and promising to build his church upon that "Rock." We read the Messiah himself is the chief cornerstone and the apostles and prophets are the foundation. We have the Messiah saying the gates of hell would not prevail against this church. The Messiah gives the Apostle Peter his power to bind and loose and his keys to the kingdom of heaven, but you do not believe, it seems to me, that the words of the Messiah were efficacious in this respect, nor that his apostles appointed others' who appointed others' by the laying on of hands, until this day. Your tale is one of perpetual defeat and conspiracy, making heretics the heroes in some cases no doubt. There is one holy catholic apostolic church, from the days of the Apostles until this day. You have not presented any historical alternative, and that silence is deafening.

[imardmd1]

Nope even the language prevents Simon from being the rock upon which His local church and the churches it plants are to be built. Where the Romanists leve is abandoning the Scriptural foundation of Christ and His Word, and placing themselves in authority over it. I don't know how many thousand times we've been over this, but the Romanists simply are beyond recognizing the truth of the Gospel, and insist on their predominance, rather than Jesus' Preeminence in the lives of His regenerated believer-disciple-priests and saints.

Come back another day. With the right doctrine, the keys of the Gospel given not only to Peter, but all the disciples to come, you will be able to enter. So far, no, and you-all don't even seem to recognize it. But now, the Savior is calling me to His work of making more disciples.

Bye for now --

[af_vet_1981]

Nope even the language prevents Simon from being the rock upon which His local church and the churches it plants are to be built.

I noticed the subtle change you introduced, which demonstrates, yet again, the problem of Sola Scriptura.

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Ephesians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses eleven to twenty two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
bold emphasis mine

[imardmd1]

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

And where did you get that from, your Catechism? Some Papal bull?

No, you got it from your Bible, and it is my mainstay, of course. So upon what does the foundation of the apostles and prophets stand on? thin air?

The B-I-B-L-E, yes that's the Book for me --
I stand alone on the Word of God, the B-I-B-L-E!

Yes, it stands on the Rock of my salvation, the Son of the Living God, the Word of God personified!

[af_vet_1981]

And where did you get that from, your Catechism? Some Papal bull?

Do you affirm or deny the Nicean Creed ?

No, you got it from your Bible, and it is my mainstay, of course.

It is my Bible; that part you have correct.

So upon what does the foundation of the apostles and prophets stand on? thin air?

The B-I-B-L-E, yes that's the Book for me -- I stand alone on the Word of God, the B-I-B-L-E!

Yes, it stands on the Rock of my salvation, the Son of the Living God, the Word of God personified!

You wrote that the Bible is the Word of God, and that Jesus is the Word of God. Do you worship the Bible ?

[imardmd1]

You wrote that the Bible is the Word of God, and that Jesus is the Word of God.

Is this truth to you?

[af_vet_1981]

You wrote that the Bible is the Word of God, and that Jesus is the Word of God. Do you worship the Bible ?

[imardmd1]

You wrote that the Bible is the Word of God, and that Jesus is the Word of God.

I write again, is this truth to you? IRP.

[af_vet_1981]

You wrote that the Bible is the Word of God, and that Jesus is the Word of God. I write again, is this truth to you? IRP.

It is truth to me, and since you are unable, or unwilling, to clarify what you meant, I cannot tell whether you worship the Bible (Bibliolatry) as the Word of God, or venerate the Scriptures as does the one holy catholic apostolic church.

101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God speaks to them in human words: "Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men."63

102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:64 You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.65

103For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she venerates the Lord's Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God's Word and Christ's Body.66

104 In Sacred Scripture, the Church constantly finds her nourishment and her strength, for she welcomes it not as a human word, "but as what it really is, the word of God".67 "In the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven comes lovingly to meet his children, and talks with them."68

[imardmd1]

It is truth to me, and since you are unable, or unwilling, to clarify what you meant, I cannot tell whether you worship the Bible (Bibliolatry) as the Word of God, or venerate the Scriptures as does the one holy catholic apostolic church.

You dance around the topic you chose, answering everything but the question I asked you, for I will not undertake to answer your query until you do. A simple "yea" or "no" to the question will be ample. There is no "maybe."

Your statement:

You wrote that the Bible is the Word of God, and that Jesus is the Word of God.

Yet a third I write, is this truth to you?

Immediate Reply Please.

Regarding your Catechism, it is the fallible, uninspired construction of errant men, and has no authority whatsoever over the revealed Word of The God, and is not even in the same class of literature as The Word of God. So please don't bring it up again.

[af_vet_1981]

Yes, It is truth to me, and since you are unable, or unwilling, to clarify what you meant, I cannot tell whether you worship the Bible (Bibliolatry) as the Word of God, or venerate the Scriptures as does the one holy catholic apostolic church.

Catholics do not worship the Bible. Catholics venerate the Bible with love, honor, and gratitude.

105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."69

"For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself."70

106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."71

107 The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."72

108 Still, the Christian faith is not a "religion of the book." Christianity is the religion of the "Word" of God, a word which is "not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living".73 If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, "open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures."74

[imardmd1]

I cannot tell whether you worship the Bible (Bibliolatry) as the Word of God, . . .

I'm working on a little longer answer, but to call you to account regarding the pejorative "Bibliolatry," it's more than sensible for me to worship the Bible than it is for you to worship a glass of grape juice, isn't it?

[MHGinTN]

Amazing how many posts to a thread that has a title which is a flat out lie!

[imardmd1]

Don’t worry about that— just accept it as a slanted viewpoint.

[af_vet_1981]

I'm working on a little longer answer, but to call you to account regarding the pejorative "Bibliolatry," it's more than sensible for me to worship the Bible than it is for you to worship a glass of grape juice, isn't it?

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Revelation, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verse twenty,
James, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses five to seven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[imardmd1]

As you seem to perceive, the text of my last response to you is wisdom, and the source of knowledge of the Holy One gained from His Holy Word:

Prov. 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy (one) is understanding.

But what is seen further is that:

Prov. 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Resort to the Roman catechism authored by fallible men as indispensible authority superior to the Holy Word is foolishness.

[imardmd1]

Correction to Post 498 :

"As you seem to perceive, the text of my last response to you is wisdom, and the source of knowledge of the Holy One gained from His Holy Word:"

-- the words "gained from" should be struck out, and the word "was" should replace them. Here is what it should have been:

As you seem to perceive, the text of my last response to you is wisdom, and the source of knowledge of the Holy One gained from was His Holy Word:

[af_vet_1981]

I still cannot tell whether you worship the Bible as the "Word of God" or simply venerate it as the compiled books, written by men under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, God being the ultimate author, as His holy revelation to man.

For example, do you believe this scripture is describing the Bible ?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
John, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses one to two,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James