Posted on 08/25/2015 6:45:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
A thirst for truth, that can only be found in the pillar and foundation of truth, the Catholic Church.
Good for you. Now go out and win souls.
. I hope you're not leaning on the vulgate's translation as it is an incorrect one as the link notes.
And please, Gen 3:15 illustrates again the practice of eisegesis which is further compounded by an incorrect translation.
If thinking that helps the non-Catholics through the dark scary night, so be it, but the truth is much different and is found only in the Catholic Church.
You cannot refute the facts admitted by catholic sources. It’s always a good discussion.
The article refuted the opinions of non-Catholics, they just refuse to accept the truth.
On the contrary, the Catholic church is NOT the place to go for truth.
God's Word is.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.
Scripture refutes the opinions of Catholics.
They just refuse to accept the truth found in it.
Quotes from 'true' Catholics follow; they MUST be the truth...
As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18
• Augustine, sermon:
"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer. — John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327
Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.
• Augustine, sermon:
For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)
• Augustine, sermon:
And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289
• Augustine, sermon:
Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95
• Augustine, sermon:
...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193
• Augustine, Psalm LXI:
Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)
• Augustine, in “Retractions,”
In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.
The Berean folk might disagree...
1 Thessalonians 4:13-14
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But we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 1 Corinthians 15:51-53
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
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This is what happened when I rolled my head on the keyboard.
How did you produce this post:
The fact that I returned to the Catholic Church shows you are wrong.
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Fixed it for you. Hope you are paying attention this time.
Is that supposed to be English?
A number of significant differences are found in the description of the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ.
At the Rapture Jesus comes for His own [church age believers], at the Second Coming Jesus comes with His own [church age believers].
At the time of the Rapture Jesus comes only in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17), at the Second Coming Jesus comes to the earth (Revelation 19:11-18).
At the Rapture, living saints receive resurrection bodies (1 Thessalonians 4:17), at the Second Coming, no living believers receive resurrection bodies.
At the Rapture translated saints go to heaven, at the Second Coming translated saints go to earth.
At the Rapture, Jesus comes in the air and returns to heaven (John 14:3), at the Second Coming Jesus establishes His kingdom on the earth.
At the Rapture, there is no judgment on the unsaved upon the earth, the Second Coming concludes God�s judgments on the earthdwellers.
At the Rapture Christ claims His bride, at the Second Coming Christ comes with His bride.
The Rapture delivers the saints from the wrath to come, the Second Coming concludes the wrath to come (Daniel�s seventieth week).
The Rapture is imminent and its proximity is not announced by any prophetic signs; the Second Coming is preceded by specific, recognizable signs.
The Rapture involves only the saved of the church age, the Second Coming involves all on the earth. The saved of the Old Testament are resurrected after the Second Coming.
The Rapture is not mentioned in the Old Testament, but the Second Coming is predicted often in the Old Testament.
Satan is not mentioned in reference to the Rapture, but after the Second Coming, Satan is bound (Revelation 20:2–3).
No prophecy must be fulfilled before the Rapture, many prophecies must be fulfilled before the Second Coming.
At the Rapture only those who meet Him in the air will see Him, at the Second Coming every eye shall see Him.
The Rapture is called the Day of Christ (2 Thessalonians 2:2; Philippians 1:10; 2:16), the Second Coming comes as part of the Day of the Lord (Joel 2:31–32; 1 Thessalonians 5:2).
I always have "Bereans" here for Bible study. Actually, they are not really Bereans. 😆 They belong to a certain religion, which will remain unnamed 😂 They are like the Bereans, in that they want to know the truth. We are more than happy to show it to them. Being as the Word of God is sharper than any two edged sword, (Heb 4:12) essentially, all we do is show them the scriptures, and they make up their own minds about it. They always have questions, however. 😇😎🇵🇭
The material in #396 would make a nice Bible study for a month of Wednesdays. Got that list from the John Ankeberger Show.
Scripture Completely supports the facts of Catholics. Fixed it for both of us.
“A thirst for truth, that can only be found in the pillar and foundation of truth, the Catholic Church”
My thirst for truth came only when I came to entrust myself to Christ alone for salvation and consequently left the Catholic Church. Truth is in Him and His inspired Word. Every church composed of true believers serves as a pillar to uphold the truth and a foundation under it.
Best.
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