Posted on 08/25/2015 6:45:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
What is all talk? I don’t understand, I must be worldly like most Catholics with all the drinking and partying.
Freegards
The Church’s *official* policy concerning abortion and same sex marriage for example.
I know plenty of faith mass attending Catholics who are proudly liberal politically, and who support a woman’s right to do what she wants with her own body and who give their blessing to same sex marriage.
You can hate any Christian organization except black churches.
Right.
Fundamentalist Protestants agree with the Church’s position on abortion and ‘gay marriage’ and against the secular humanist media’s position.
The point was made that there was absolutely no issue were Evangelicals and Catholics disagree where the media wouldn’t take the Catholic side of it. Then I pointed out that on the issues of celibacy, bc within marriage, divorce and remarriage, and the authority of the Pope the media would invariably support the Fundamentalist Protestants who disagree with the Catholics about them.
FReegards
How many times will catholics continue to repeat this debunked claim??
“Catholics are legalists,” Catholics believe they have to "do" penance and such to maintain salvation after sins. They "have" to be at church or that's a sin as noted by one poster. As one article noted, "it's hard to be a catholic."
“the Pope kissed the Quran,” Of which there is documentation.
“they worship Mary,”
The statues, the prayers to Mary, the kneeling before the statues of Mary, the false teachings elevating Mary, Mariology. Some schools have programs devoted to the study of Mary offering a Certificate in Marian Studies, etc....Yes...there is worship of Mary.
“they pray to saints” … As documented and noted on these discussion boards and through catholic writings.
ANYONE who has to DO to be saved or stay saved is a legalist.
If the shoe fits.......
They object that the Roman in RC leaves out Catholic churches in union with the pope but are not part of the Latin rite.
Yet it does not, but refers to Rome as being the seat of their supreme governance, and while certain RCs censure us for broadly using the Roman aspect, it seems leadership to which they are to look, as well as some sanctioned teaching, did not get the memo:
the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing -- Pope Pius XII, Humani Generis [a lie]
[Pope] Pius...each and every article contained in the profession of faith which the Holy Roman Church uses. http://www.ewtn.com/library/councils/v1.htm
“By heart we believe and by mouth confess the one Church, not of heretics but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church outside which we believe that no one is saved.” - Pope Innocent III, Eius exemplo, 18 December 1208
the eminent cardinals of the holy Roman Church, - Exsurge Domine1 promulgated by Pope Leo X against Martin Luther
Pope Paul IV, Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio of 1559: ...in the unity of the Holy Roman Church and under obedience to Us
QUO PRIMUM TEMPORE, 4 July 1570... establishing the Traditional Roman Rite of Mass in order that all everywhere may adopt and observe what has been delivered to them by the Holy Roman Church,
Pope Innocent III, Eius exemplo, 18 December 1208: ...the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church outside which we believe that no one is saved.”
Papal Bull Cantate Domino, by Pope Eugene IV, 1441: "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church,
Q. Are there any other reasons to show that heretics, or Protestants who die out of the Roman Catholic Church, are not saved? A. There are several. They cannot be saved.... - Familiar Explanation of Christian Doctrine For the Family and More Advanced Students in Catholic Schools (1875); with imprimatur) ;http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2009/02/absurdity-of-separated-brethren.html
The Protestant goes directly to the Word of God for instruction, and to the throne of grace in his devotions; whilst the pious Roman Catholic consults the teaching of his church, and prefers to offer his prayers through the medium of the Virgin Mary and the saints. - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12495a.htm
we are fairly certain today that, while the Fathers were not Roman Catholics as the thirteenth or nineteenth century world would have understood the term, they were, nonetheless, ‘Catholic,’ (Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Principles of Catholic Theology)
Since then, so much has changed -- Catholics, America, and all the various groups aren't what they once were. The divide between Catholics and Protestants has narrowed, while divisions between other groups have widened or remained the same. One thing Viereck was getting at back then was that prejudices didn't necessarily all run one way, people who lacked one set of prejudices might well have another.
Now only Catholics are hated. So much for unity. Does the author really think other Christians and conservatives are not also hated.
I just clcked on it to see what kind of cheese comes with the catholic whine. Smells like Limberger ...
Do you trust that these good works will eventually earn eternal life?
Catholics gave us JFK, LBJ, Clinton and Obama in 08.
Will they turn out for Hillary?
Actually, JFK was on his way to making one good presidency ... which was anathema to the globalist elites, so they wacked him and placed LBJ where he could do their worst.
Salvation is by grace alone. Free will allows us to reject grace. Faith is a gift of grace. And faith without works is dead.
"If you love me, keep my commandments." --JesusGod's Salvation: Law and Grace, CCC"You will know them by their fruits." --Jesus
"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." -James 2
As a practicing catholic you wrote, “Salvation is by grace alone.” If I didn’t know you are a catholic I might have taken that to mean you do not believe a catholic must strive to obtain that Grace. But since we know you are a practicing catholic, we understand whast you tried to hide, that yes, catholics are taught they must earn Grace by their works. Have a nice eternity.
Let me know when you find that in the Catechism or in any infallible papal teaching or infallible conciliar document.
FWIW, here is a portion of the Catechism section on Grace and Justification:
CHAPTER THREEThere's more, but that's a start.
GOD'S SALVATION: LAW AND GRACEARTICLE 2
GRACE AND JUSTIFICATIONI. JUSTIFICATION
1989 The first work of the grace of the Holy Spirit is conversion, effecting justification in accordance with Jesus' proclamation at the beginning of the Gospel: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."38 Moved by grace, man turns toward God and away from sin, thus accepting forgiveness and righteousness from on high. "Justification is not only the remission of sins, but also the sanctification and renewal of the interior man.39
1990 Justification detaches man from sin which contradicts the love of God, and purifies his heart of sin. Justification follows upon God's merciful initiative of offering forgiveness. It reconciles man with God. It frees from the enslavement to sin, and it heals.
1991 Justification is at the same time the acceptance of God's righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ. Righteousness (or "justice") here means the rectitude of divine love. With justification, faith, hope, and charity are poured into our hearts, and obedience to the divine will is granted us.
1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy. Its purpose is the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life:40
What did Abraham do to be saved?
What’s your point?
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