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To: daniel1212; Salvation
Providing a link to the propagandist "Catholic Answers" works to example the specious nature of her apologists attempts to defend ...

Relentlessly attacking one holy catholic apostolic church without a visible, historical alternative, and without bona fide authority, seems to miss the mark, so to speak.

134 posted on 07/28/2015 6:36:22 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Relentlessly attacking one holy catholic apostolic church without a visible, historical alternative, and without bona fide authority, seems to miss the mark, so to speak.

Relentlessly promoting one holy catholic apostolic church without a visible, historical manifestation of that as being Rome (its distinctively not in Scripture ) , and without bona fide Scriptural authority, seems to miss the mark, so to speak.

The church of Rome is far from being one, while the Scriptural and historical evidence abundantly testifies against her being the NT church. My visible, historical manifestation is that of a church which began contrary to that of Rome, with believers who recognized men and writings of God as being so, without an infallible magisterium of men, which Rome insists is essential for that. And thus churches of such believers have ordained presbuteros/episkopos as pastors, not a clergy distinctively titled 'priests" as per Catholicism, who are normally married, contrary to Catholicism, and are not required and presumed to have the gift of celibacy.

And whose primary duty was prayer and preaching the word, feeding the flock thereby, whereby souls obtained spiritual life and were "nourished," (Acts 20:28,32; 1Tim. 4:6) not by eating something physically, which priests have offered as a sacrifice for sins as per the error of Catholicism.

And which baptized believers who confessed the Lord Jesus thereby, their hearts being purified by the faith behind confession, as Peter and Paul preached, and which faith is counted for righteousnesses, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-10; Rm. 4:1-7) thus their next postmortem (or post 2nd coming) experience would be that of being henceforth with the Lord, versus sprinkling of water rendering them good enough to be with God, thus (usually) culminating in once again becoming good enough to be with God thru postmortem purgatorial suffering of purifying torments.

And which had spiritual authority based upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, though rejected by those who were the historical stewards of Scripture, and whom they reproved by Scripture, as God can raise up true children from stones. (Mt.3:9)

In contrast assurance of Truth for a RC rests upon the the novel and unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility. And thus a faithful RC is not to ascertain the veracity of RC teaching by examination of evidences (for that reason). For to do so would be to doubt the claims of Rome to be the assuredly infallible magisterium which require assent of faith, while such magisterial teaching as encyclicals, including social teaching, requires religious assent, which excludes public dissent.

And the list goes on.

Thus the visible, historical alternative to Rome begins with the NT church (which was an alternative to following the historical magisterium in all things), and which stands in foundational (principal) and extensive contrast with the Cath church. And this historical alternative has always existed, even if as a remnant with the visible church (which, best an unholy admixture of tares and wheat cannot be the one true church, which the body of Christ alone is). This historical alternative is visible today, even with some differences (the 7 churches of Asia were all churches, despite and and bad differences), ordaining men in keeping with the principal of apostolic leadership taken place by presbuteros/episkopos, not priests, and preaching the gospel of grace, not that of Rome, and baptizing souls, praying for the sick, etc.

These are the most unified in conservative beliefs, in contrast to the fruit of Rome, which includes Ted Kennedy RCs whom you must own, as Rome counts and treats as members in life and in death. Which unholy amalgam RCs insist we must join, contrary to the words of Scripture,

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)

177 posted on 07/29/2015 7:03:58 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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