Posted on 07/26/2015 7:30:39 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
"For I delivered unto you first of all, which I also received: how that Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures: And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day, according to the scriptures: And that he was seen by Cephas; and after that by the eleven. Then he was seen by more than five hundred brethren at once: of whom many remain until this present, and some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen by James, then by all the apostles. AND LAST OF ALL, HE WAS SEEN ALSO BY ME, AS BY ONE BORN OUT OF DUE TIME."—1 Cor. 3-8
There is no scripture that says that...
No church was given authority to teach without error...The only place we can find teaching without error is the scriptures...
Mat_22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
The scriptures are the authority, not any church...
The truth of God and the truth of the essentials of salvation do not come from any church but again from the scriptures...
Joh_20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1Jn_5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1Co_4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
A number of 'Churches' make false claims about God...The truth can only be found in the preserved scriptures of God...
So are you implying that Paul misrepresented the incident?
Mathew 18
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Even Paul himself says in 2 Corinthians
1 In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
....”The scriptures are the authority, not any church...,,
The truth of God and the truth of the essentials of salvation do not come from any church but again from the scriptures”...
Yes.
To you and ‘Salvation’, Catholics don’t worship Mary, we honor her as the mother of God. Look it up. We worship God.
>> HE WAS SEEN ALSO BY ME
And as me, and hopefully you too.
Then you come back and play arithmetic games
Answer THIS one first ...
Do you consider The Twelve, The Church (at that time) ?
The Bible, of course!
.....And Jesus of course!
So?
People get corrected all the time.
Thank-you and God Bless.
I find those comments rather typical of a certain types of faith communities where people are not taught to love, respect, and venerate either the Jewish patriarchs or the Jewish apostles. Catholics love, respect, and. venerate them, including the blessed Apostle Peter, given the keys to the kingdom of heaven by the Messiah.
Do you pray to this person you honor? Answer truthfully.
If Paul was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (and he was), we can be assured that the incident took place and was accurately recorded.
I'm not sure that the Matthew 18 reconciliation process is applicable to the situation of false public teaching. Even if it is, isn't quite possible that Paul had already discussed this with Peter privately and what is recorded in Galatians is step 2 of the process: take others and confront?
If Paul was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (and he was), we can be assured that the incident took place and was accurately recorded.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Why the remark about James? it is recorded in the same chapter of acts that James agreed with Peter that the gentiles was given the same grace as the Jews.
It was James who had a letter written to that affect to send with chosen men to return with Barnabas and Paul to Antioch.
I certainly hope Paul was not being inspired by God to slander the name of any of Christs hand picked apostles if that is true we are in trouble.
Paul had great authority before he became a Christian, it appears to me that he could not let go of it.
Chapter and verse please....just to follow the Guidelines for threads.
For the Gentiles.
Chapter and verse, please, per guidelines.
Think about this......it was before the Ascension.
The Apostles were Jesus’ team.
Pentecost happened later where 3000 were added to the church.
This is a key passage for understanding the Catholic doctrine of Church authority: Christ’s deliberate intent to establish a new Church (“I will build My Church”) His choice of Peter as the foundation, or head, of this Church Christ confers on Peter his own divine authority (“the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven”) for ruling the Church (“bind” and “loose”). This power to “bind and loose”, repeated also in Mt 18:18 to the Apostles as a whole, is understood as applying first to Peter and his successors (the Pope), and then to the rest of the Apostles and their successors (the other Bishops) in union with Peter.
This assessment overlooks Paul being selected by Christ also. No authority was "passed down" to him from Peter. His authority came straight from Christ.
Paul was equal among James,Peter, and the rest of the brethren.
We will recall that Paul also had to correct Peter over Peter withdrawing from fellowship with the Gentiles and being influenced by the Judaizers.
The Greek doesn't support what the rcc claims regarding binding and loosing.
An appeal to the ECF's regarding Peter being the rock reveals a myriad of opinions that is oft ignored by catholics when this is noted.
Christ is the ultimate authority from which any believer derives any authority.
If Christ has called you to preach, you're authority is just as good as Paul's, James, Peter's, Barnabas, Timothy, etc.
He has given the Holy Spirit to all of us to guide us in our relationship with Christ and our understanding of the Kingdom of Heaven.
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