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[[Sorry if this is harsh and upsetting to you, but that is what the word of God tells us.]]

Upsetting? No- just a difference of opinion is all

[[The age of grace ends with the First Resurrection, the event that ends the trib.]]

you’re welcome to your opinion on that matter

[[Obviously everyone alive on Earth will see the sky opened up to the realm of God, as the elect from day one to then are gathered by the angels,]]

there is some indication that only the elect at the rapture will see it and the world will not-

[[The trib has nothing to do with judgement; it is the wrath of Satan,]]

Again, you’re entitled to your opinion- I’ve laid out what pretrib believes- It is not Satan bringing the judgements upon the earth at that time, it is Christ who sends forth the riders

[[The wrath of God comes in the ten days after the resurrection of the just, the “Bowl Judgements.”]]

There is an argument to be made for that- but there is also an argument to be made for pretrib rapture- which as I’ve indicated in previousp osts I personally belewive there ism ore evidence to suggest pretrib-

I went to Word of Life bible college- a 1-2 year study of God’s word- strong Baptist leanings- We had some very good teachers- who at that time taught pretrib- one named Marv Rosenthol who now runs ‘Friends of Israel’ and “Israel My Glory” magazines

Marv turned from Pre trib to mid trib somewhere along the liens, and Word of Life dropped him as a teacher because of it- I thought it a bit extreme to drop him for that- but whatever- I studied everything Marv had to say about the mid trib issue, and felt he did a really good job making his case, and I could definitely see how he came to believe as he did- however, I still believe there is more scriptural evidence to sway the pendulum of the issue in the direction of pretrib

[[There is not one word in the entire Bible that tells us that anyone can be saved during the millennial reign.]]

Revelations talks about John looking into heaven and seeing the ‘great multitude of people’ those believed to be folks saved and killed during tribulation times as for the millennium

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS” (Jeremiah 23:5-6). “

The bible also talks about the millennial kingdom being ruled By Christ with an iron rod so that ALL may live in peace during that time- this indicates there will be unsaved during this reign- As for the saved, they will procreate during that time, and their offspring will be unsaved and in need of salvation- it seems unreasonable that God wouldn’t allow them to be saved alongside their parents

Some believe the millenium will made up entirely of saved people- however, scripture is pretty clear- there will be unsaved- those Satan enlists for one last attempted takeover- IF there are only saved people in millennium, then the unsaved must come from the saved people’s procreation- However, I believe unsaved people will be around at the beginning because of the verses talking about Christ ruling with iron rod to make everything safe-

Any way- As I mentioned there are cogent arguments for both positions- no reason why we have to say things like “Sorry if this is harsh and upsetting to you,” It’s an area where we can agree to disagree civilly I hope- As I said- I’ve studied both positions- seen many good arguments for both sides, and I personally believe the evidence ways more heavily on the side of pretrib rapture- IF pretrib rapture turns out to not be the case, oh well- We’ll have more to occupy our times at that point than arguments about different interpretations of prophecy

There are several ways the rapture/ resurrection can take place that’s fun to consider I think...

One is to make it evident to the whole world; that everyone would become aware it took place. The Holy Spirit does not specifically teach us what this event will be like exactly, it may very well be a loud announced event and it may not.

The trumpet sound and a shout indicates an official “announcement.” God often introduced things with a “voice” from heaven: the Law from Mt. Sinai, the sound was deafening like a trumpet. The Father speaking to Jesus at His baptism, and on the Mount of Transfiguration. But it does not mean all will hear it. It may mean only those who are summoned will hear, or it may be quiet with the announcement taking place in heaven, we are not specifically told in Scripture.

The other way is that this event would be done secretly where no one would notice. Such as in the middle of a cataclysmic event, such as in a world war. This could make the event hidden from the world, millions would not be noticed missing because there would be more serious issues at hand. Then a deception could set in as various explanations are offered.

Many have considered that if it is a known event this would cause fear, and some would come to the realization that what the Bible has said is true. If cars or airplanes crash all over the world because the drivers are missing it would certainly be major news. They then would have to come up with an alternate explanation to make sense out of why millions of people are missing.....

.... The media could have dozens of explanations to choose from, but they would all have to be more convincing than the Bibles explanation. Especially if there is a consistency in those who are missing are all Christians. the New age already has the explanation that mankind is going to make a quantum leap in consciousness, creating a new species: Homonoeticus. That UFO’s will remove the people who have a lower consciousness, which according tho them are Christians.

Even if it were to occur this way it may not make such an impact. The church is made up of individuals collectively, the event of the rapture of the church is relative to everyone in the church at the same time. The news reports that there are 30,000 people a year missing in the US and we do not blink an eye, I don’t think several million spread around the world will bring great concern. (I’m not of the opinion that it will be several hundred million people such as 600-900 million or a billion)

There is another explanation of how millions could be missing and it may not leave an impact on those left. Why? Because of the apostasy, it will be in a time where the majority of Christians are no longer looking for Him to come. Their focus will be on the things of the world or they will be too busy building what they believe is his kingdom, readying it for him to come back sometime in the future. So in a time while the world is being so called christianized this could take place. The fact is, a minority will be taken not the majority that claim to be the church.