Posted on 06/27/2015 3:20:00 PM PDT by NYer
Unlikely that the Catholic Church in the near term will change its theology or teachings. More likely is that it will be reduced to a shell by people leaving because of their misplaced support for gay marriage now that it is legal. Becoming legal will carry a lot of weight for people who don’t and will never understand the difference between legal and moral.
So don’t look to the Catholic Church for much help. Just hunker down, live your live and make choices that exclude what you know to be wrong. This includes people, institutions and activities.
Don't ever fool yourself into thinking that this is not exactly their agenda. An article I've posted a few times over the years:
The Bittersweet Victory: Why Gay Marriage Still Isn't Marriage (the real end game defined)
Time ^ | 6/26/2011 (yes, 2011) | Howard Chua-Eoan
Posted on 6/26/2013, 6:08:36 PM by markomalley
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But in one very important way, gay marriage will not quite be marriage even in New York, even 30 days from now when the law goes into effect. That is because the psycho-sexual-financial-commercial-legal dramas that entangle the domestic lives of straight people often have another component: religion. And religious institutions have an exemption in the new law over accommodating gay people. It was key to the passage of the legislation.
Marriage without a church or temple wedding isn't the real thing. Why can some people have all the bells and whistles in the church of their choice but not me? Of course, there have been and will be congregations and churches that allow gay men and lesbians to be married in their midst and to bless those unions, recognizing that God loves them just as much as Governor Andrew Cuomo does. But some rich and influential religious institutions [NB: read this as the Catholic Church] are not only free to continue to reject gay men and women as equal beneficiaries of all aspects of faith but will now also rally their congregants to reject politicians who are willing to abide with this extension of secular civil rights — no matter how much acceptance there is of same-sex marriage elsewhere, no matter how many wedding announcements appear in the New York Times.
(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...
to: the “all talk, no action” clergy
Any Catholic man who is content to be ruled by Elena Kagan ... is no Catholic and is not a man.
Lip service against the Court rulings, but no effort to oppose the organizations that gave those rulings to us.
True, I’ve noticed many Catholics on social media cheering the gay marriage decision.
So what are you in here throwing these grenades at Catholics for?
“It won’t be the Catholic Church.”
Once their tax exemptions are threatened they’ll fold like a cheap suit.
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I bet that this Pope allows gay marriage in the Catholic Church before the end of his papacy.
Au contraire, it is under pressure that the church everywhere finds its heroes and heroines.
If anything was the most badly wrong with many denominations of Christendom today, it is that they were spoiled. Their success was so great in a worldly dimension that they rarely got inconvenienced.
So what can a God bent on victory do? Well, He removes the obstacle that was fomenting the laxity of faith.
So you are stalking me again?
You need to stop this carrying this personal hatred from thread to thread, and the evil personal attacks.
libertarians have always been for gay marriage and polygamy, gay Scout leaders, gay military.
As much as I criticize Francis, I don’t think he’ll go that far. I don’t think.
You are the one in there throwing grenades, and then you call the waambulance when I so happen to care about threads about the Christian response (all over Christendom) to the recent USSC developments.
You really are being a scalawag, and a whiny one at that.
So far, no businesses have been sued into bankruptcy in those countries, either, I bet.
Never said it was. In fact, the article you have posted over the years is now corroborated by George Takei who played Mr. Sulu on Star Trek, who was interviewed by CNN on Friday. From Rush Limbaugh's site:
TAKEI: Indeed we see it as a challenge. It's going to be a -- a new challenge. But we are very mindful of that challenge that still remains. They are now -- some of these, um, states, are -- going to try to use the, uh, shroud of religious freedom. I believe in religious freedom, and people who argue that are entitled to their freedom. But they do not have the freedom to impose their religious values on to others. I've heard some of the people, uh, expressing their comments on the, uh, Supreme Court ruling, and they're entitled to that. But they are not entitled to impose their will on everybody.RUSH: You see, this is what's wrong with this. Nobody in the... I can't believe I'm saying this. Nobody in the heterosexual world is forcing anything on anybody. They're minding their own business and having something forced on them, is what's happening here. So Mr. Takei says: Hey, you're free to have your religious beliefs. Have them all you like. I have mine, too. But you can't impose your religious values on to others. (But Mr. Takei and his group can impose their beliefs on you all day every day or you will lose your business.)
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