“That is the roman church talking..”
Learn to read. I posted links to you THAT WERE FROM PROTESTANT SITES:
Even Protestants know this:
http://holdingtotruth.com/2013/04/08/what-is-redemption-how-is-salvation-different/
http://www.christianity.com/theology/redemption-and-salvation-11541696.html
http://www.bugsinheaven.com/insidethebook/redempt.html
“To the saved..it was all accomplished at the cross.. Christ redeemed us, saved us and justified us.. it is a finished work...”
No, the grace for those things were established on the cross. Our justification, however - according to Protestants - is contingent upon someone coming to a faith in Christ. Isn’t that what Protestant anti-Catholics like yourself keep insisting that Catholics do not believe (which shows further the ignorance of Protestant anti-Catholics, but that’s another thread). In other words, if Christ justified men at the cross in the sense we use the word justification today, it could only apply to those LITERALLY AT THE FOOT OF THE CROSS who had a saving faith in Christ. After all isn’t that why you post threads like this?: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3263201/posts
and this: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3298071/posts
and this: http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/3260672/posts
and this: http://209.157.64.200/focus/religion/3278681/posts?page=4
and this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3256178/posts
and this: http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/3289159/posts
Ironically, it looks as though none of the authors whose works you posted actually agree with you.
“So you deny Invincible ignorance????”
Do you deny that you still have not distinguished between redemption and salvation?
At the cross of Christ ...I was "bought with a price", my sin atoned for with the blood of Christ.. and I stood justified before the father that gave me to Christ.. HE DID IT ALL AT THE CROSS...
For Roman Catholics all the suffering of Christ at the cross did was open the gates of heaven so they could crawl through the fire of purgatory into heaven if the are "good enough " and "do enough "
Once again ""cricket" on the salvation of heathens..without Christ.. Can observant Buddhists get into heaven ??