Posted on 06/26/2015 10:18:59 AM PDT by Morgana
Go somewhere else with your human reasoning.
And the meaning of the resurrection??....
10-4.
No, I am staying right where I am.
“Mother Theresa knew it well evidently. She claimed they should just be better whatever they were. No need to change evidently.”
It really doesn’t matter what she claimed about the issue since her opinion was just that.
“Please answer my question “
Please distinguish between redemption and salvation.
“...can an observant Buddhist go to heaven ...”
Please distinguish between redemption and salvation.
“PS Mother Teresa thought so ...”
PS It doesn’t really matter what she thought on the issue.
“And the meaning of the resurrection??....”
So first you made it plain you could not distinguish the redemption and salvation and now you’re saying you don’t know what the resurrection means?
It’s shocking just how ignorant Protestant anti-Catholics are. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/catechism/index.cfm?recnum=2418
The Intention of the Atonement
Why did Christ come to die? Did He come simply to make salvation possible, or did He come to actually obtain eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:12)? Let’s consider some passages from Scripture in answer to this question.
For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost (Luke 19:10).
Here the Lord Jesus Himself speaks of the reason for His coming. He came to seek and to save the lost. Few have a problem with His seeking; many have a problem with the idea that He actually accomplished all of His mission. Jesus, however, made it clear that He came to actually save the lost. He did this by His death.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners-—of whom I am the worst (1 Timothy 1:15).
Paul asserts that the purpose of Christ’s coming into the world was to actually save sinners. Nothing in Paul’s words leads us to the conclusion that is so popular today-—that Christ’s death simply makes salvation a possibility rather than a reality. Christ came to save. So, did He? And how did He? Was it not by His death? Most certainly. The atoning death of Christ provides forgiveness of sins for all those for whom it is made. That is why Christ came.
http://vintage.aomin.org/Was%20Anyone%20Saved.html
That is the roman church talking..
To the saved..it was all accomplished at the cross.. Christ redeemed us, saved us and justified us.. it is a finished work...
PS It doesn’t really matter what she thought on the issue.
So you deny Invincible ignorance????
All follower of Yeshua keep the true Sabbath.
Churchians keep the Sun god’s day: Sunday.
All of the apostles and their flocks kept the sabbath. Sabbath worship was continuous until the mid 4th century.
The book of Acts soundly affirms the keeping of the Sabbath and the appointed times. Sunday worship is the result of mostly misunderstanding of Havdalah (the “first day of the week” gathering on what we call saturday evening.
God’s days begin at sundown, so Havdalah was a coming together on “the first day of the week.” That is what was what was called “coming together on the first day of the week” in every instance in the entire NT.
Seventh Day Adventists are correct to some extent on that, but have other issues WRT the divinity of Yeshua.
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>> “Just what sort of reason do you suppose man is capable of except human reason?” <<
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Missing the entire meaning of the word “reason” as it is used by the apostles.
To “reason
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Redemption and Salvation cannot be ‘conflated,’ since they are one and the same.
Redemption has not happened yet. What happened at the cross was payment of the penalty.
We will be redeemed at the Last Trump, when Yeshua gathers his elect and exchanges their corrupt bodies for incorruptible spiritual bodies. All who ever will be redeemed will be redeemed in that moment, “in a twinkling of an eye,” as Paul explained so clearly in 1Corinthians 15.
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“That is the roman church talking..”
Learn to read. I posted links to you THAT WERE FROM PROTESTANT SITES:
Even Protestants know this:
http://holdingtotruth.com/2013/04/08/what-is-redemption-how-is-salvation-different/
http://www.christianity.com/theology/redemption-and-salvation-11541696.html
http://www.bugsinheaven.com/insidethebook/redempt.html
“To the saved..it was all accomplished at the cross.. Christ redeemed us, saved us and justified us.. it is a finished work...”
No, the grace for those things were established on the cross. Our justification, however - according to Protestants - is contingent upon someone coming to a faith in Christ. Isn’t that what Protestant anti-Catholics like yourself keep insisting that Catholics do not believe (which shows further the ignorance of Protestant anti-Catholics, but that’s another thread). In other words, if Christ justified men at the cross in the sense we use the word justification today, it could only apply to those LITERALLY AT THE FOOT OF THE CROSS who had a saving faith in Christ. After all isn’t that why you post threads like this?: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3263201/posts
and this: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3298071/posts
and this: http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/3260672/posts
and this: http://209.157.64.200/focus/religion/3278681/posts?page=4
and this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3256178/posts
and this: http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/3289159/posts
Ironically, it looks as though none of the authors whose works you posted actually agree with you.
“So you deny Invincible ignorance????”
Do you deny that you still have not distinguished between redemption and salvation?
“Redemption and Salvation cannot be ‘conflated,’ since they are one and the same. Redemption has not happened yet. What happened at the cross was payment of the penalty.”
Payment. Exactly. When you pay, you redeem.
Example: “Redemption Defined: To be set free from captivity or slavery.”
which is different from:
“Salvation Defined: Biblically, salvation refers to the act of being saved from the eternal consequences of sin.”
http://www.christianity.com/theology/redemption-and-salvation-11541696.html
That’s written by a Protestant, not me.
Too bad that you were not there to help the poor wretches responsible for the King James version of Scripture, who translated Isaiah as “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord . . .” And, my request still stands: can you cite any recognized experts who have the same view of Isaiah as you do?
At the cross of Christ ...I was "bought with a price", my sin atoned for with the blood of Christ.. and I stood justified before the father that gave me to Christ.. HE DID IT ALL AT THE CROSS...
For Roman Catholics all the suffering of Christ at the cross did was open the gates of heaven so they could crawl through the fire of purgatory into heaven if the are "good enough " and "do enough "
Once again ""cricket" on the salvation of heathens..without Christ.. Can observant Buddhists get into heaven ??
“At the cross of Christ ...I was “bought with a price”, my sin atoned for with the blood of Christ.. and I stood justified before the father that gave me to Christ.. HE DID IT ALL AT THE CROSS...”
What you’re saying is that a man need not accept Christ, or repent of your sins to be justified. Thus, you believe in universalism.
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The context in Isaiah does not support your wild assertion.
It is not about the meaning of scripture, but about convincing the unbelieving.
It demolishes your whole plan.
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LOL..still no answer to my question?? .. Catholics have my pity , they have a weak jesus that is unable save those the Father gives to Him...
The distinction you offer is of little consequence in that the passage has God calling on human reason as guide leading toward faith. Again, I suggest that this supports teachings that faith and reason are meant to be allies, not adversaries, and that even those without faith may nevertheless distinguish good and evil.
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