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Removing Jesus
White Horse Inn ^ | June 1, 2014 | Timothy F. Kauffman

Posted on 06/25/2015 1:13:01 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: Mrs. Don-o
Gosh; with all this evidence; one would expect to see the continuous line of teaching.

And; one would NOT expect to see CATHOLIC churches lambasted by an angel through John's final writings!!!

241 posted on 06/29/2015 1:52:37 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And that's fine. There were at least 40 local churches by 100 AD, and some needed correcting by St. John, which is exactly what he should be doing as a good Catholic leader: teaching, correcting, governing.

Explain WHY the teaching was in error to begin with!

WHY could they then NOT deliver it unblemished those next in line?

242 posted on 06/29/2015 1:54:30 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GeronL

A strange beast; the pelican.

It’s beak can hold more than it’s belly can.

Frankly; I don’t see how the hell he can.


243 posted on 06/29/2015 1:55:58 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
(1) the Magisterium (correct terminology promotes respectful dialogue) does not teach that Mary is a goddess,

Just has the POWERS of one...



Let's try some easy math:


There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;

If merely 1% of them  'ask' Mary for help just once each day;

that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.

Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)

...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!

Purty good fer someone NOT 'divine'!

244 posted on 06/29/2015 1:57:35 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN; Mrs. Don-o; StormPrepper
Since I know you live but a few miles from me in East Tennessee, are you trying to issue a vague threat?

I can assure you that she is not.

Cantankerous as she may be; vindicative is not one of her attributes.


Remember; I'm the stalker everyone needs to worry about...

245 posted on 06/29/2015 2:00:14 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

I shudda read ahead.

I knew this would probably resolve as simple misunderstanding.


246 posted on 06/29/2015 2:01:18 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

Hey!

Get yer own stuff!

How DARE you steal from me what I stole from others!


247 posted on 06/29/2015 2:02:36 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

placemarker


248 posted on 06/29/2015 2:18:14 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: Elsie

Thanks Elsie! I’ll leave the stalking to you!


249 posted on 06/29/2015 2:33:39 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Cantankerous as I wanna be.)
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To: Elsie
"...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second! Purty good fer someone NOT 'divine'!"

Oh, get a grip. A Japanese android with cloud computational enhancement could do that easily even today. I am sure that what God has in store in eternity for those who love Him would make that look like mere piffle.

The angels, who are fond of you, are are giggling at your simplicity.

250 posted on 06/29/2015 2:41:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Angel of God, my guardian dear / to whom God's love entrusts me here ...)
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To: Elsie
"Explain WHY the teaching was in error to begin with! WHY could they then NOT deliver it unblemished those next in line?"

???

I didn't say the teaching was in error to begin with.

I presume you mean the Apostles' teaching.

251 posted on 06/29/2015 2:43:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stand firm and hold to the traditions you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us)
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To: Elsie
I don't see the problem. The angel lambasted the seven churches in Asia. I wish angels would come and lambaste ALL the churches.

Don't you?

252 posted on 06/29/2015 2:45:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stand firm and hold to the traditions you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 ‘requests’ per second! Purty good fer someone NOT ‘divine’!”

“Oh, get a grip. A Japanese android with cloud computational enhancement could do that easily even today. I am sure that what God has in store in eternity for those who love Him would make that look like mere piffle.”

Well, at least you have a technological basis for belief. Whew! Something. Anything to fill in that gap when the Bible is left out. It is after all, something.


253 posted on 06/29/2015 2:48:12 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: MHGinTN
Could you please clarify for your readers here that these are not doctrinal statements of the Catholic Church?

Thank you.

254 posted on 06/29/2015 2:50:31 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stand firm and hold to the traditions you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; RnMomof7; Elsie
Dear aMPU, I'm very sorry! I thought everything I was responding to was in #180 --- what you sent to RnMom discussing Catholic belief. If there was a mix-up, it just shows I get confuddled trying to process too much information at once.

(In contrast to the Blessed Virgin Mary, who Elsie has calculated can process 139 requests per second, if Catholics are praying as they ought!)

"That was a joke, son!" --- quote from Foghorn Leghorn.

Anyhow, the aggravation caused by Fun-House Mirror reflections about what Catholics believe --- proffered without asking actual Catholics, of course, why would a person want to do that?? --- remind me not to similarly offend by speculating about what Protestants believe.

Which is always a much dicier proposition anyways, since you don't have a nice concise Catechism, like we'all have. And "The Fundamentals" (the collection of twelve books on "fundamental" Protestant theology published in 1910) is something I don't actually intend to read. Ever.

Though in Purgatory I might have a couple of years to burn through.... :o)

As to your expertise about Catholicism, you say:

"I grew up Catholic and have studied the teachings of Catholicism. Alter boy. Confirmed."

I'm---

Well.

In all charity, what can I say?

Good Lord. I'm ducking out now. My squash plants are all pregnant. I have to go tuck some mulch under their sweet little bottoms and watch them grow.

Love,

Mrs. Don-o

255 posted on 06/29/2015 3:15:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stand firm and hold to the traditions you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The Mormons try to use the same deception: "But that's not our official doctrine; you don't know our official doctrines".

What I cited, from Elsie's excellent research, are the writings that 'faithful' catholics are lead to read and absorb. They contain clear blasphemies and as such taint the organization which holds them up as exemplars. Heresies and blasphemies are tricks of satanic brilliance.

256 posted on 06/29/2015 3:17:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
"The Mormons try to use the same deception: "But that's not our official doctrine; you don't know our official doctrines".

Well, thanks for confirming what I strongly suspected: that you don't really care about factually ascertaining what Catholic Doctrine actually IS.

In which case ....BYE.

257 posted on 06/29/2015 3:21:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stand firm and hold to the traditions you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“I thought everything I was responding to was in #180 -— ...discussing Catholic belief.”

Indeed, you responded to what I wrote to another and claimed I was telling you what you believed. Not so.

“Anyhow, the aggravation caused by Fun-House Mirror reflections about what Catholics believe -— proffered without asking actual Catholics, of course, why would a person want to do that??”

First, because they do not believe it is a ‘fun-house’, but reality.

I can only imagine a catholic, tooling along, believing everything they’ve ever been taught, coming in contact with someone who knows the truth and tells them that what they thought was from Christ is pagan. What they thought was Christianity is nothing but religious works than never save. No one ever appreciates it when you invalidate their life experience. Still, Christ did it to Paul on the Road to Damascus.

“Which is always a much dicier proposition anyways, since you don’t have a nice concise Catechism, like we’all have.”

Well, you could always read any of the great protestant confessions of faith.

“Though in Purgatory I might have a couple of years to burn through.... :o)”

No worries, just another false catholic doctrine that denies the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice and resorts to additional works that can neither save nor purify. You will either go to heaven to the presence of God, or you never entrusted yourself to His gracious gift.

“As to your expertise about Catholicism, you say:”I grew up Catholic and have studied the teachings of Catholicism. Alter boy. Confirmed.”In all charity, what can I say?”

Not a thing required. In addition to my exposure to Catholicism first-hand, I spent 4 years in seminary, studying theology, church history, and most importantly, the Sacred Scripture (far more Bible than your priests cover in their seminaries). We covered every verse. Every chapter. Every book. And I’ve now read the Scriptures regularly since 1976, when I came to know Christ and my eyes were opened to Him.

best.


258 posted on 06/29/2015 3:41:15 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Here's a start on the Westminster Shorter Catechism

Keep in mind that not ever non-catholic is reformed in theology (I'm not), but all the major beliefs overlap. It's a start for you.

259 posted on 06/29/2015 3:50:14 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Question 96
What is the Lord’s Supper?

Answer The Lord’s Supper is a sacrament, wherein, by giving and receiving bread and wine, according to Christ’s appointment, his death is showed forth; and the worthy receivers are, not after a corporal and carnal manner, but by faith, made partakers of his body and blood, with all his benefits, to their spiritual nourishment, and growth in grace.

260 posted on 06/29/2015 4:17:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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