Posted on 06/21/2015 9:56:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Or are you arguing to provide cover to that idiot Pope of yours?
False
But they were.
True
Thus your contention in #5 is not only incorrect and wrong it is libelous.
False
Allied soldiers lives were willingly risked and lost in the liberation of Jews and other concentration camp inmates.
True, the Russians were liberating camps in the summer of '44 but most of the Jews were already murdered. The British and Americans liberated camps in April, 1945. There may have been incidental casualties around the camps but I'm not aware of any battles. The Germans surrendered on May 7. At Buchenwald, for example, the prisoners seized control of the camp before the American forces arrived.
You and your Pope are wrong on this issue. While it didn't meet your unrealistic, unachievable timeframe it happened as soon as it was practicable.
Tell it to the Judge.
the Russians were liberating camps in the summer of '44 but most of the Jews were already murdered.
You realize that is because the non-Soviet Allies didn't get ashore until the summer of 44 and as you said the Allies didn't care about the Jews enough to lose people over them.
There may have been incidental casualties around the camps but I'm not aware of any battles.
How many Allies have to die to matter?
Tell it to the Judge.
So, now you speak for the Lord, or are you channeling the godly Pope? Not one of the issues I will be conversing with Jesus about, He knows where I was at the time.
Actually the first indication of what was going on was in the New York Times in 1943.
The New York Times did report on the Holocaust, but made an editorial decision to downplay the reports. An entire book was written on the subject: ‘Buried by the Times’ by Laurel Leff.
There was also the Rabbis March on Washington in 1943. Very public.
False
You realize that is because the non-Soviet Allies didn't get ashore until the summer of 44 and as you said the Allies didn't care about the Jews enough to lose people over them.
The nonSoviet Allies did not enter France until the summer of '44; they landed in other parts of Europe sooner; the camps and their victims, which they knew about, were not a priority.
How many Allies have to die to matter? Normally there would be thousands of Allied casualties in a major operation but a focused raid or limited aerial campaign may be hundreds.
So, now you speak for the Lord, or are you channeling the godly Pope? Not one of the issues I will be conversing with Jesus about, He knows where I was at the time. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Matthew, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verse twenty two,
First John, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses eleven to twenty two,
Jude, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses ten to nineteen, as authorized, but not authored, by King James
You now admit that I did not.
Has been the thrust of your argument.
It is the truth.
You wanted to take another guy to court for saying they weren’t valid ‘Choices’.
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You appear to think they were or are you just arguing to appear stupid? Take some fish oil or is that micro-aggression again.
It seems to me you are the one with a micro-aggression problem. I am unable to read your mind to discover the source of the darkness.
Where were the camps in Sicily, Italy. Again in what way other than ground assault were the Allies to affect the plight of the captives?
How many Allies have to die to matter? Normally there would be thousands of Allied casualties in a major operation but a focused raid or limited aerial campaign may be hundreds.
So in essence, a few hundred dead in a raid is what it would take for you to believe Allies cared about the Jews. A raid where nobody would be in friendly territory at the end. Thank God you had no part in combat planning in WWII.
As for your non-sequitor from the Bible, I'm not angry, I called you an idiot, not a fool. A fool doesn't know any better. Again, as you misuse Scripture for a failed argument, I won't be talking to Christ about my part in the delay of the liberation of concentration camps in WWII.
You do know that all your posts are still here don’t you? Denying them seems as pointless as your argument.
False in that in fact I didn't call you an idiot or false you don't think you are, or false in that you have no clue what you're responding to and your cat is typing?
As are yours; they are searchable and may shed light
I can believe that!
Good they stand as a reference to those benighted souls on the fence about whether the Pope is a hypocrite on this issue.
False; there were no raids to save the Jews. They were not a priority for the Allies.
As for your non-sequitor from the Bible, I'm not angry, I called you an idiot, not a fool. A fool doesn't know any better. Again, as you misuse Scripture for a failed argument, I won't be talking to Christ about my part in the delay of the liberation of concentration camps in WWII.
It seems to me you are very angry and unable to help yourself out of the condition.
Show me where I said there were.
It seems
Back to amateur psychiatrist again? I don't like historical revisionists who libel heroes.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Are you referring to the notorious antisemite Luther ? Is that what this is about for you ?
LOL, Luther did a lot of things, but he was long dead when the heroes of the ETO came ashore and liberated Europe and the camps over a ten month period.
Speaking of rules: not nice to break them regarding bringing over arguments from other threads. But to answer your question, no Luther is your obsession not mine. Your facile libel of the heroes of the ETO mirrors yours of Luther but I always thought that despising Luther came from your Catholicism as your ignorance of your church history in AS does, but I must have been wrong based on your behavior on this thread. You make a fine lefty.
I asked to whom your comment referred. You couched it obscurely and it seems irrational as written. Perhaps you could write more openly. I did not post the thread, comments, or arguments from another thread. You mad an obscure reference and I thought, maybe he meant Luther. Otherwise I have no idea to whom you are referring, nor why you then injected racism into the discussion. What I meant by classes were the usual religious fault lines and the meme that Catholics, in general, are treated differently because they are Catholics.
But to answer your question, no Luther is your obsession not mine.
He was certainly not a hero of the faith, being an evil antisemite who wrote the blueprint for the Holocaust that the Germans implemented.
Your facile libel of the heroes of the ETO mirrors yours of Luther but I always thought that despising Luther came from your Catholicism as your ignorance of your church history in AS does, but I must have been wrong based on your behavior on this thread. You make a fine lefty.
False accusations of libel on your part, couched in obscurity along with some kind of sympathy, it seems to me, for the notorious antisemite Luther.
You post a lot about your Catholic faith, right?
You put up a lot of links and text that you copy and paste. It appears that you have a lot of time to participate in anything about the Catholic Church.
But I don't see anything from you about any of THESE stories.
Why not?
In Condemning Arms Makers, Pope Francis Sends the Wrong Message at the Wrong TimeI look forward to seeing what you think about this Pope and his recent headline stories. These represents the last three days' worth. What's up with this man?Few Priests Preached About the Pope’s Encyclical Sunday
Pope Blames Markets for Environment’s Ills
Pope’s key science advisor Hans Schellnhuber is an atheist who believes in ‘Gaia, but not in God’
Pope Francis Is Wrong about Air Conditioning
Pope told to read Scriptures on self-defense
So, the Catholic Church has a major problem right now. ...And the Pope is only a part of it
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I could understand why you don't get into anything that embarrasses the Pope or the Roman Catholic Church. Maybe that's the reason?
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