Posted on 06/21/2015 8:10:26 AM PDT by RnMomof7
When it comes to restraint, I don’t necessarily associate the Holy Spirit restraining believers because in the tribulation many many people are brought to faith. Rather I believe the Holy Spirit stops restraining non-believers. Imagine everyone who is luke warm or hot, not having any guilt or standard of right or wrong, no twinge of consequence, no empathy, no little voice whispering in the right ear. That is what I envision.
God will never forsake me, even if I am to die, and how can I show who He is if the Holy Spirit is not indwelling to bear the fruit of His gifts? I believe in all the gifts, and seriously doubt He leaves the world in our darkest hour. To judge the world there has to be evidence of His power, and that will come from those using their gifts. IMHO.
Not backed by scripture, yet, but just seems to fit, if you know what I mean. Well, there is scripture. Jesus said that when we are arrested to not worry about what to say because the Holy Spirit will give us the words...Matt 10:19, Mark 13:11 and Luke 12:11 & 12. I think the tribulation will not only be terrifying in evil, but terrifying for non-believers who witness believers glorifying the One True God.
BTW, you added to the verse from Revelation. There is no ‘to the end’ in the Revelation verse you are trying to twist to your no rapture agenda. Jesus tells the Philadelphia Church that because they kept His command to endure, not endure to the end because He is telling them He is going to keep them from even the hour of testing. Adding to the Revelation wording is a no no, as I sure you realize.
While we are in the body prior to receiving new bodies, God’s Spirit indwells those who faithe in Christ. Because the old nature inherited from Adam is still connected to this body and mind, His Presence acts to raise us up in the Way that we should go. That means He is restraining our walking in the Adamic flesh and teaching us to walk according to His Spirit, His Life in us, so the character of God leaks out through the behavior of the newborns as they are raised up in the way that they should go.
I'm trying to back out and leave the hijacking to you, but I can't let you get away with this. I am Historic Premill, in contradistinction to Dispensationalist Premill (pretrib). We believe, as you, in the rapture, differing with you and pretribs only on WHEN the rapture is to take place... and how MANY 2nd comings there is.
We believe there is only one 2nd coming, as Jesus established in Matt. 24, rapture and resurrection, the gathering together to Christ in the air, upon his descent to the earth to reign over it in the millennial.
We believe in the rapture, your "no rapture agenda" is false, but it is a POST-trib rapture, and not a PREtrib one. Part and parcel of the SINGULAR 2nd coming of Christ, no such thing as TWO 2nd comings.
Continue with your hijacking...
And for all our warning them, we were labeled *hater* and *anti-Catholic*.
Go figure.
You'd think that someone owes someone else an apology.
But I'm not holding my breath.
All of our discussion so far is related to the passages and theme of the thread essay. Have a great afternoon, and try not to get too warm out In the heat gripping the East presently.
No, my post 18 and metmom’s post 45 are related to the subject of this thread. The subject is about who is this that “Takes his seat in the temple of God.” Isn’t that the name of the thread?
It’s about the identity of antichrist, not an alleged pretrib rapture.
Maybe you have something to say about the actual subject of this thread?
Please do, I’d like to hear what you’ve got to say about it.
While you’ve been hijacking, I’ve been, in fact, doing just that. The one who ultimately takes his seat in the temple of God, according the ALL the ECF is an APOSTATE! Like what is going on as we speak, all around us...including this Pope. Men like Justin and Irenaeus were entirely spot on in identifying this one as “the man of apostasy.”
As a “Historic” Premill, if you’ll notice, we put great emphasis on what the ECF had to say about it, the historic. And not what modern “prophets” have conjured up about it.
Bookmark, for sure.
Well, this became a catholic bashing thread from the first post.
Sad that more people won’t look at the complete picture.
Point taken. Do you believe there will be a snatching away of The Church of Jesus Christ before, during or at the end of the Tribulation period?
Jesus pointed out the infiltration in the Temple, Paul warned of it in the Church. This stuff is going to be happening until Jesus comes again. It is the job of every Christian to identify imposters and set them straight, or kick them out.
Sal is it "bashing" Catholics or Catholic doctrine ? There is a huge difference !
Do you have a link or library reference for the quoted above? I searched and have not found one scholarly site which can produce an exact quote nor can affirm attribution.
ConclusionRegardless of what else the writer of this sermon believed, he did believe that all believers would be removed before the tribulation-a pre-trib rapture view. Thus, we have seen that those who have said that there was no one before 1830 who taught the pre-trib rapture position will have to revise their statements by well over 1,000 years. This statement does not prove the pre-trib position, only the Bible can do that, but it should change many people's historical views on the matter.
The entire paper is a fascinating read. The debate over the rapture has been going on since the days of Paul's mission trips.
Ping
Thanks but everything has a footnote in that article but the actual quote from pseudo Ephraem. I searched the ECF and ANF library at CCEL and could not find it. Everyone quotes it but the source document is scarce to find.
I’ve read a few of Dr. Ice’s papers over the years. Some are very good but like all those prophecy ‘food fights’ he, as well as his opposition, tend to settle for taking pot shots at the opposing view and losing the focus of their argument.
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