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Music chief for Pope Francis' Phildelphia Mass quits in dispute with Archbishop Chaput
NC Reporter ^ | June 2, 2015 | David Gibson

Posted on 06/02/2015 1:37:38 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 06/02/2015 1:37:38 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/02/2015 1:37:56 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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Chaput goes in for modern music? If so, I’m very sorry to hear it. Frankly, that stuff drives me crazy.

I sang in the church choir here for a number of years, but we lost two excellent choir directors and ended up with what currently resembles a rock band. Couldn’t stand it, had to drop out of the choir, along with everyone else who used to sing in it.

Now, after communion and having returned to the pew to pray and meditate, I sometimes have to put my fingers in my ears, as unobtrusively as possible, to avoid being distracted at such an important time. The key offender actually plays his guitar very well, but he ought to be in a rock band playing in a bar while people down their whiskeys.


3 posted on 06/02/2015 1:52:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Romeri didn’t like Chaput’s preferences for Lady GaGa music in the service.


4 posted on 06/02/2015 1:54:43 PM PDT by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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Romeri is said to have more of a "high church" sensibility in liturgy than Chaput, who has expressed a preference for the newer Mass in English and simpler styles of worship.

LOL.

Okay, let's see. First, the article is at the National "Catholic" (sic) REPORTER (meaning it is crap). And the last thing this fishwrap has is a "high church sensibility".

Second, who is more likely to be authentically Catholic ... Archbishop Charles Chaput or some drama queen music chief who publicizes his 'years of discontent' like this?

I am quite confident that the music for the liturgy at the outdoor Papal mass will be quite beautiful and infinitely better than what John Romeri, loved by the ncReporter, ever would have presented.

5 posted on 06/02/2015 1:55:31 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I hope you’re right. I’ve long been an admirer of Archbishop Chaput.


6 posted on 06/02/2015 2:02:21 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

In my opinion, Chaput needs to return to the Latin and traditional hymns for this one time papal visit.


7 posted on 06/02/2015 2:03:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Spoken like a true Catholic. I prefer to sing a NEW song to the Lord.


8 posted on 06/02/2015 2:10:00 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Salvation

I prefer those. Some may criticize, but there is always a sense of holiness and being “in a spacious place” when I hear them.


9 posted on 06/02/2015 2:10:58 PM PDT by grimalkin (We are a nation under God. If we ever forget this, we are a nation gone under. -Ronald Reagan)
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Abp Chaput is very orthodox in what counts, but his liturgical taste is not great. He seems somewhat charismatic-influenced, so it’s basically sentimental Christian pop and 80s stuff, from what I’ve heard. Also, he can be on the liberal side when it comes to non-Faith related things, but I guess one can agree to differ on that.


10 posted on 06/02/2015 3:37:40 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Yes, one is certainly more important than the other. As long as our Pastor says the Mass properly, and as long as he does confessions and other needed things, I can live with it. It’s the Catholic Church, even if I sometimes have to plug my ears in order to think.

He does ad lib once now in the Mass (used to be a little more often):

“Look not upon our sins, but upon the faith of your Church—the faith of each and every one of us. . . .”—he seems to be a “we are Church” sort of guy—but he’s basically very well meaning and does nothing out of line to undermine the sacraments.


11 posted on 06/02/2015 3:58:55 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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True. NCR is garbage. Chaput gets my 100% support. Musicians are usually talented, sensitive and ego maniacs; music directors are worse. I wait for any Bishop or pastor with the courage to fire the ego maniacs pretending to play music at mass. I once saw a pastor fire a family of musicians from the 11:00 am mass which they had participated for about twelve years. The pastor took grief, the musicians showed their immaturity and the victory was short lived. The dad regrouped his children, found another parish and resumed dishing out pain to the parishioners. I suggest that Mr. Romeri be thankful to have a job and humble to the leader of the Church.


12 posted on 06/02/2015 4:29:29 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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the guy seems like a crybaby, the archbishop is the boss, period.


13 posted on 06/02/2015 4:32:19 PM PDT by Coleus (For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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“Second, who is more likely to be authentically Catholic ... Archbishop Charles Chaput or some drama queen music chief who publicizes his ‘years of discontent’ like this?”

Is that even an issue? Can’t they both be “authentically Catholic” and still disagree on music? By the way, I say that as a Latin Mass going, Gregorian Chant singing Catholic.


14 posted on 06/02/2015 4:40:09 PM PDT by vladimir998
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There are facts missing in this story:
1) Romeri served Rigali at the Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis
2) Rigali is moved to Philadelphia Archdiocese and named a Cardinal in 2003
3) Romeri follows Rigali to Philadelphia in 2010*
4) Just a year later, Cardinal Rigali resigns under the sex abuse cloud and Chaput takes his place
5) Artistic tension ensues between the Capuchin ArchBishop Chaput and Romeri.

In other words, it’s a case of very bad timing leading to very good people at cross purposes.

* “In a way, I’m following (Cardinal Justin) Rigali,” the former archbishop of St. Louis who now leads the Philadelphia archdiocese, Romeri said. “I’m really looking forward to working with him again.” St. Louis Post-Dispatch July 21, 2010.


15 posted on 06/02/2015 4:51:30 PM PDT by qwertyz
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To: sportutegrl

“I prefer to sing a NEW song to the Lord.”

I prefer what is truly beautiful to offer to the Lord. “NEW” music just can’t compete with this “OLD” music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbl4u7CIMd0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pVCKV6Zzqc


16 posted on 06/02/2015 4:59:10 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Servant of the Cross
I am quite confident that the music for the liturgy at the outdoor Papal mass will be quite beautiful and infinitely better than what John Romeri, loved by the ncReporter, ever would have presented.

I'm not at all confident, taking into account Francis' past papal Masses and pre-Mass extravaganzas. Maybe Romeri just couldn't stomach seeing Fly teach a bunch of bishops to clap their hands and spin around in circles like trained monkeys again. Or see the the Pope teach a bunch of innocent children to chant socialist slogans.

17 posted on 06/02/2015 5:37:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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4) Just a year later, Cardinal Rigali resigns under the sex abuse cloud and Chaput takes his place

The above statement is quite a stretch. Cardinal Rigali submitted his resignation, as required, at the retirement age of 75. Pope Benedict did not even accept it until a year later.

18 posted on 06/02/2015 5:48:43 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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19 posted on 06/02/2015 5:49:06 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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What does that post have to do with papal liturgical shenanigans?


20 posted on 06/02/2015 7:01:23 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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