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Fascism: Yours, Mine, and Ours
R.C. Sproul Jr. ^ | Friday, May 22, 2015 | R.C. Sproul Jr.

Posted on 05/28/2015 6:07:25 AM PDT by OK Sun

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Fascism is an economic system that marries the state to business, where business holds the title but state holds control.

Transcript:

Some of you, though I trust not all of you, are familiar with what we call “Godwin’s law.” This is a particular law which is born out of empirical study of the Internet and it holds that, given enough time, any and all internet arguments will eventually involve some side of the argument accusing the other side of the argument of either being like Hitler or of being a Nazi. The corollary to that is that the first one to make that observation loses the argument.

Well, I don’t know how many times we’ve done “-isms,” but we have finally come to “fascism” in our -ism study today. The truth of the matter is of course, there aren’t a whole lot of people out there, though there are some, who actively, happily, publicly, and unapologetically argue in defense of fascism. The problem is, however, that because we don’t know what fascism is, and because we associate it with a bunch of accidental trappings to it, we miss it when it comes us.

Fascism, first and foremost, is an economic theory. It has precious little to do with the horrors of the Holocaust, it has precious little to do with world conquest, and it certainly has nothing whatever to do with goose stepping and “heil hitler” signs and all the other kinds of stock bad-guy things that we get from Nazi Germany. ...

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: facism; rcsproul; socialism
H/T to Maggies Farm, via No Pasaran.
1 posted on 05/28/2015 6:07:25 AM PDT by OK Sun
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To: OK Sun

Interesting


2 posted on 05/28/2015 6:13:34 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: OK Sun

Fascism is an economic system that marries the state to business, where business holds the title but state holds control.

Transcript:

Some of you, though I trust not all of you, are familiar with what we call “Godwin’s law.” This is a particular law which is born out of empirical study of the Internet and it holds that, given enough time, any and all internet arguments will eventually involve some side of the argument accusing the other side of the argument of either being like Hitler or of being a Nazi. The corollary to that is that the first one to make that observation loses the argument.

Well, I don’t know how many times we’ve done “-isms,” but we have finally come to “fascism” in our -ism study today. The truth of the matter is of course, there aren’t a whole lot of people out there, though there are some, who actively, happily, publicly, and unapologetically argue in defense of fascism. The problem is, however, that because we don’t know what fascism is, and because we associate it with a bunch of accidental trappings to it, we miss it when it comes us.

Fascism, first and foremost, is an economic theory. It has precious little to do with the horrors of the Holocaust, it has precious little to do with world conquest, and it certainly has nothing whatever to do with goose stepping and “heil hitler” signs and all the other kinds of stock bad-guy things that we get from Nazi Germany. Fascism is an economic system that is distinguished from socialism or communism in a very narrow way. Don’t forget that, while we like to present fascism as the hard right on the political spectrum and communism as the hard left on the political spectrum, fascism is a socialistic concept. The name “Nazi” stands for the “National Socialist Party.” What distinguishes the fascists and the communists is not socialism or not-socialism but rather national socialism versus international socialism.

There is also this critical distinction: communism exists as a theory that suggests that the only way to have economic justice is not merely to divvy up the fruit of production equally among all members of society, but that it is about ownership of the means of production. This has to be universal or ultimately in the hands of the state. The state owns the means of production. Fascism disagrees with that. Fascism is a system that affirms that private individuals certainly may own property, they certainly may own the means of production, the tools and the factory, the ways in which things get made. What defines fascism however is that while individuals may own property or the means of production, control of that property and the means of production remains in the hand of the state.

Now if we know much at all about what ownership is, what property is, we would recognize that essential to the concept of “property” is control. If you control my car, you drive it, you fill it with gas when you want to fill it with gas, you change the oil when you want to change oil, but you let me hold onto the title in my file cabinet at home then I don’t really own that car, you own that car. Ownership requires control. Fascism then is that system that maintains the facade of private property, but what you end up having is this bizarre marriage of business and state. Where the business is protected by the state, the business is shielded from competition, guaranteed of profits but ultimately controlled by the state.

Does this, I wonder, sound awfully familiar to anyone? Fascism allows us to own property, but it tells us what we have to pay those who work inside our factory. It tells us what percentage of this material we must include in the thing that we make. It tells us how many hours people are allowed to work. It tells is this and it tells us that until finally you are left with the obvious conclusion that the state owns what we think we own because it controls all that we have.

Friends, we don’t have a socialist economy here in United States, despite all the squawking and screaming about President Obama. Nor do we have a free market, despite what we would like to believe or what we once might have enjoyed. What we are living in, economically speaking, is fascism where property is held privately in name only, but controlled by an army of bureaucrats from the central government. This is one reason why we are called to love and to seek liberty because fascism is a betrayal and assault upon the right of property–a right which was given to us by God Himself. That is what our founding documents say and, more importantly still, that is what the ten commandments say. Fascism isn’t just bad economics, it is theft.


3 posted on 05/28/2015 6:14:44 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Textbook fascism: Minimum wage.


4 posted on 05/28/2015 6:21:13 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: central_va
"Copyright © 2015 - R.C. Sproul Jr."
I'm not sure that under the copyright law you can post the full article.
5 posted on 05/28/2015 6:21:27 AM PDT by OK Sun (Freedom is not just another word.)
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To: cuban leaf

The obvious solution here is to offshore all manufacturing to the Communist Third World, import it back duty free and sell it at first world prices. With the additional profit going to the corporations stockholders. < /SARC >


6 posted on 05/28/2015 6:27:14 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
"Fascism isn’t just bad economics, it is theft."

That's what I've been saying for years to anyone who will listen..

7 posted on 05/28/2015 6:29:13 AM PDT by semaj (.People get ready, Jesus is coming!)
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To: OK Sun

If I pick up on this guy correctly, it would be something like the government taking both the control and the glory (they go together) in the economic activity of the country.

Kind of kin to the “You didn’t build that” philosophy. Well actually you did build that but then the government grabbed and said, “Mine.” Any sane business knows this is a bane, even if it sounds like a boon today.

But also, because there is “economic fascism” does not mean there can’t be “political fascism” which is closer to what brought about many horrors of WWII.


8 posted on 05/28/2015 6:43:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: central_va

A return to sanity will manifest government returning to its proper sphere.


9 posted on 05/28/2015 6:45:15 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: central_va

Thin is, more and more, manufacturing will not involve human beings. The country with the friendliest tax policy will be the most productive.


10 posted on 05/28/2015 6:53:09 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: OK Sun

Thank you for this little clarification, a seminal understanding. Our government is, after all is said and done,fascist. From the lowliest dog catcher to the POTUS, government is the final authority and delineator of all activity over every dot and tittle of human activity and the entirety of the animal and plant kingdoms as well. Government decided how many bullets you can put in your gun (if you are allowed to hold one) how many calories you can put in your belly, and how much of and how many of everything else besides.
Our Constitution exists to control government. Government exists to control people. When government ignores the Constitution it expands its authority without control.


11 posted on 05/28/2015 7:03:03 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: OK Sun

Good find. Good article. Thanks.


12 posted on 05/28/2015 7:33:36 AM PDT by KnutKase (VRWC member since 1988)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Fascism is a sort of bad medicine—if your nation is falling apart, going down the toilet and looks doommed, you can take the Fascism pill. It works because it will reverse the downward sprial, get people to work and march, all in uniform. Its a Nationalistic diotribe—with music, flags and a resurgence of national will. It always has a centeral figure—who takes the title of “The Leader”—and digs into the deep cultural past of its nation—some of that can be negatves like Anti-Semetism. Hitler’s Nazi Germany was an aboration of Fascism—a fascism on steroids. Other nations have taken the poison pill and done well—as far as it goes—Spain is a good example, Italy, Argentina (Evita and Juan Peron were fascist) —But it has bad side effects! Wars of agression, pogoms of enemies, death. BUT its never permanent—it always dies out in time—Its dies with the Leader—Franco, Evita, Stalin, and the states revert back to a form of democracy.


13 posted on 05/28/2015 11:39:42 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Well, a celebrated leader is needed to do it. There are plenty who won’t play Yankee Doodle in the name of Big Ears, however.


14 posted on 05/28/2015 2:40:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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bkmk


15 posted on 05/29/2015 1:17:13 AM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: OK Sun
FASCISM brought us World War I, World War II. and World War III is rapidly approaching !
The way to solve the problem is the same way we solved it in World War I and II, and that's to bury them.
But this time, let's leave NONE OF THEM alive !
16 posted on 05/29/2015 1:47:35 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: central_va

Textbook fascism: Minimum wage.


17 posted on 05/30/2015 5:01:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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