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Is the Catholic Church a Force for Good?
http://www.wordonfire.org ^ | May 25, 2015 | Matt Nelson

Posted on 05/25/2015 3:25:43 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Western civilization is greatly indebted to the Catholic Church. Modern historical studies—such as Dr. Thomas E. Woods' How The Catholic Church Built Western Civilization—have demonstrated with force and clarity that it is the Catholic Church who has been the primary driving force behind the development and progress of the civilized world.

The Church has provided innumerable 'goods' for the benefit of humanity. Nonetheless, modern critics assert that no amount of good could outweigh the evil the Church has allegedly committed in contrast. Talk is cheap, however. We must look at the evidence. Has the Church really been an irreconcilable force for evil in the world?

BIG QUESTIONS

There are three principal issues repeatedly brought to the table by adversaries of the Catholic Church: religious violence, priest scandals, and ill-treatment of women. But do these objections hold water when their integrity is put to the test? And are they enough to render the Church "no good" in our final analysis?

Now let's be clear: throughout the duration of this piece, I am not seeking in any way to deny or defend the sins of any Catholic individual or group. The chief question I propose is not whether there have been malicious members of the Catholic Church (there obviously have been). The question at hand is whether the Catholic Church as a whole ought to be considered a force for evil.

Let's consider briefly the general assertion that religion is the chief cause of violence in the world. This position, in fact, is not supported by the data. Joe Heschmeyer has shown this quite articulately in his recent article at Strange Notions, Is Religion Responsible For The World's Violence?

Evil members of a Church do not necessarily indicate an evil Church. One must be cautious; because this line of reasoning commits an error in logic called the fallacy of composition. We would not say, "the elephant consists of tiny parts, therefore the elephant is tiny"; and thus, we should not say that the Church is sinister because she has sinister members. The parts do not necessarily define the whole; and in the case of the Catholic Church, the parts justify the whole. As G.K Chesterton writes in The Everlasting Man:

“The Church is justified, not because her children do not sin, but because they do. ”

RECLAIMING THE HOMELAND

Sound historical scholarship has shown—contrary to what modern textbooks might falsely suggest—that the Crusades ought not be considered such a black mark in Catholic Church history. Dr. Diane Moczar summarizes the facts in her historical defense, Seven Lies About Catholic History:

"To recapitulate: the Crusades were a response to unprovoked Muslim aggression against Christian states, as well as a response to the enslavement, killing and persecution of countless followers of Christ. They were not examples of European colonialism or imperialism, which lay far in the future, nor were they intended to convert anybody; they were a military answer to a military attack." (p.73)

Moczar demonstrates that the Crusades were largely just (see CCC 2302-2317) and with far-reaching benefits for the people of Europe. She cites historian Louis Bréhier, who also concludes:

"It would be unjust to condemn out of hand these five centuries of heroism which had such fertile results for the history of Europe and which left behind in the consciences of modern peoples a certain ideal of generosity and a taste for sacrifice on behalf of noble causes....." (from The Crusades: The Victory Of Idealism)

Steven Weidenkopf, a lecturer of Church History at the Notre Dame Graduate School of Christendom College, has also clarified the true nature of the Crusades in his footnote-laden treatise, The Glory of the Crusades. Weidenkopf's title is bold, but his analysis is fair and evidence based. In his scholarly assessment of the Crusades he carefully notes:

"To recognize the glory of the Crusades means not to whitewash what was ignoble about them, but to call attention to the import in the life of the Church." (p.14)

Moczar likewise recognizes that not all things regarding the Crusades are to be "glorified." Nonetheless, both Moczar and Weidenkopf decisively demonstrate in their research that, by and large, the Catholic Church's participation in the Crusades ought not be considered evil nor unjust.

HANDLING HERETICS

The real story of the Inquisition is—like the Crusades—not congruent with what one finds in today's error-ridden history textbooks.

Statistics regarding the total number of Inquisition-related deaths have been shamefully embellished by antagonists of the Church, with some asserting numbers in the millions. Though the precise numbers are foggy, recent scholarship has put the number of deaths at just a few thousand over several centuries.

Modern research by historical experts, such as Henry Kamen, Benzion Netanyahu and Edward M. Peters, have demonstrated that the Inquisition was not nearly as harsh or cruel as popularly suggested. Overturning traditional views, they have shown that the Church courts were often both patient and fair in their treatment of heretics. In fact, Church officials were so reasonable in the Inquisition process that heretics in the secular courts (heresy was also a political concern) would blaspheme with hope that they might be transferred to the more merciful Church inquisitors.

This is not to deny, however, that the actions of some Christians were unjust. Moczar concludes:

"Were there cruel inquisitors in some places? Of course. Were methods of interrogation distasteful to modern sensibilities? Sure... [But] given its formidable task of guarding the purity of the Faith in Christian souls, however, the overall record of the Inquisition in dealing with heresy is not only defensible but admirable." (p. 102)

CELIBACY ISN'T THE PROBLEM

This is not a defense of the guilty. It is a defense of the unjustly accused and stigmatized. The data is clear—celibate Catholic priests are no more likely to abuse children than clergy from any another denomination, or even teachers and other secular adult leadership. As Ernie Allen, the president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, has stated:

“We don’t see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this [abuse] or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else." (Pat Wingert, “Mean Men,” Newsweek, April 8, 2010)

Professor of psychology, Dr. Thomas Plante, agrees with Allen:

"Catholic clergy aren’t more likely to abuse children than other clergy or men in general." ("Do the Right Thing", psychologytoday.com, March 24, 2010)

Celibacy is not the problem—and Dr. Chris Kaczor has made this decisively clear. He summarizes the evidence with this statement:

"The evidence is substantial and confirmed by psychologists, researchers, and insurance companies: Priestly celibacy is not a risk factor for the sexual abuse of children." ("Celibacy Isn't The Problem", This Rock, vol. 21, 5)

In his vastly informative book, The Seven Big Myths about the Catholic Church, Dr. Kaczor's research conclusively disarms the celibacy-leads-to-pedophilia myth and puts it to rest once and for all.

Indeed, Catholic clergy should be held to a higher standard—the highest standard in fact—but it is unreasonable to condemn the whole priesthood because of the sins of an ultra-minority. There is simply no good reason to fear Catholic clergy any more than other religious leaders, teachers or the general population. I say without hesitation (and as a dad) that Catholic priests, by and large, are among the most trustworthy citizens of our society today. And the data agrees.

"SHE SHALL BE CALLED WOMAN"

Finally, is the Church's view on women really immoral? Let's begin with the fiery issue of "female ordination": Why aren't women allowed to serve as priests in the Church? Is this not a violation of gender equality?

Properly understood, this is a matter of the Church's incapability to ordain women due to what a Catholic priest is. It is the nature of the priesthood that makes female ordination an impossibility. These key facts may help to underline this point:

I) Jesus called twelve apostles, all of whom were men (Mk 3:14-19; Lk 6:12-16)

II) The twelve apostles ordained men only to succeed them (1 Tim 3:1-13; 2 Tim 1:6; Titus 1:5-9)

III) These men were given a special gift and authority to serve in persona Christi or "in the person of Christ" (see 2 Cor 2:10; John 20:21-23)

IV) Christ was a man; therefore those who serve "in his person" must also be men.

Therefore a female Catholic priest is about as possible as a male mother. The nature of the Catholic priesthood renders female ordination impossible, just as male mothers are an impossibility because of the nature of motherhood. Indeed, male-only ordination is discriminatory; but this is not a matter of preference but of deference to the "nature of things"; for it is the nature of nature to discriminate.

St. John Paul the Great understood this with profound clarity:

"The Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and...this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful" (Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, 4).

What was Jesus' attitude toward women? Once again, we turn to the words of St. John Paul the Great:

"When it comes to setting women free from every kind of exploitation and domination, the gospel contains an ever relevant message that goes back to the attitude of Jesus Christ himself. Transcending the established norms of his own culture, Jesus treated women with openness, respect, acceptance, and tenderness. In this way he honored the dignity that women have always possessed according to God's plan and in his love." (Letter to Women, 3)

Like her Founder, the Catholic Church reveres 'woman' and attributes to her the highest dignity. The mother of Christ, for example, has been widely revered by Catholics from the earliest centuries of Christianity as the mother of all Christians (Jn 19:26-27). No person in history—except perhaps Christ Himself—has received more love and honour than Mary. The Church has also named four female Doctors of the Church—Sts. Teresa of Avila, Catherine of Siena, Therese of Lisieux and Hildegard of Bingen—and recognized them for their extraordinary influence on the life of the universal Christian Church.

And is it not true that women largely tend to avoid places where they are unfairly discriminated against and patronized? If the Catholic Church really treated women unjustly, would we not expect a female aversion to the Church? Surely. But this is not what we find.

Notre Dame theologian, Catherine Lacugna, states:

85% of those responsible for altar preparation are women. Over 80% of the CCD (religious formation) teachers and sponsors of the catechumenate are women. Over 75% of adult Bible study leaders or participants are women. Over 70% of those who are active in parish renewal and spiritual growth are women, and over 80% of those who join prayer groups are women. Nearly 60% of those involved with youth groups and recreational activities are women. (Catholic Women As Ministers And Theologians, 240)

Women are not afraid of the Church. They are attracted to it. Why? Because she fights for the beauty and dignity of femininity as no other institution on earth does.

Referring to the words of his saintly predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI said these words in praise of women:

"As my venerable and dear Predecessor John Paul II wrote in his Apostolic Letter Mulieris Dignitatem: "The Church gives thanks for each and every woman.... The Church gives thanks for all the manifestations of the feminine 'genius' which have appeared in the course of history, in the midst of all peoples and nations." (General Audience, February 14, 2007)

FINAL THOUGHTS

In the final analysis, the Catholic Church is unquestionably a force for good in the world—indeed a force for greatness. She always has been; and because the gates of hell can never prevail against her, she always will be. We have Christ's promise.

Yes, the Church has proven herself to be the lifeline of our civilization—and without her—humanity will fail to thrive. As the great defender of the Church, Hilaire Belloc, concluded in Survivals And New Arrivals:

"If the influence of the Church declines, civilization will decline with it... Our civilization is as much a product of the Catholic Church as the vine is the product of a particular climate. Take the vine to another climate and it will die."

May God continue to bless His Church for goodness' sake.


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I found this and thought this might be of some use in your inquiry.

What is the Eucharist, anyway? Well, Eucharist is a Greek word that means “Thanksgiving”. It refers to the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus truly present in Holy Communion. What was once an ordinary piece of bread and an ordinary cup of wine, has now been changed (transubstantiated) into Jesus. In other words, just like Jesus changed the substance of water into wine at Cana, the priest, through the power of Jesus given to him at his ordination, changes the substances of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus at the consecration.

So what are some of the biblical references to this? Well, starting in Genesis 14:18, Melchizidek, the High Priest, offers bread and wine as sacrifice. The Bible says in Hebrews 7:17 that Jesus is priest forever, in the line of Melchizidek. Melchizidek is a biblical type (foreshadowing) of Jesus. A biblical type is an OT person or event that prefigures a person or event in the New Testament. Jesus offered Himself at the Last Supper in the form of bread and wine, so He is both priest and victim.

It's also important to remember that just as Adam and Eve allowed sin to enter the world by physically eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Mary gives us the fruit of the cross aka the Tree of Life, which is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist for us to physically eat, thus overcoming sin and allowing our salvation. The devil goes around as a roaring lion seeking to devour us; Jesus, on the other hand, goes around like the Lamb of God seeking for us to devour His flesh to overcome the devil.

In Leviticus 24:1-8, God directs the Israelites to create the Bread of the Presence (see also Exodus 25:30, Exodus 35:13, Exodus 39:36, Numbers 4:7, 1 Samuel 21:6, 1 Kings 7:48, 2 Chronicles 4:19, 1 Maccabees 1:22, 2 Maccabees 10:3, Matthew 12:4, Mark 2:26, Luke 6:4, & Hebrews 9:2:

The LORD said to Moses, "Command the people of Israel to bring you pure oil from beaten olives for the lamp, that A LIGHT MAY BE KEPT BURNING CONTINUALLY. Outside the veil of the testimony, in the tent of meeting, Aaron shall keep it in order from evening to morning before the LORD continually; it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations. He shall keep the lamps in order upon the lampstand of pure gold before the LORD continually."And you shall take FINE FLOUR, and bake twelve cakes of it; two tenths of an ephah shall be in each cake. And you shall set them in two rows, six in a row, upon the table of pure gold. And you shall put pure frankINCENSE with each row, that it may go with the BREAD as a memorial portion to be offered by fire to the LORD. EVERY SABBATH day Aaron shall set it in order before the LORD continually on behalf of the people of Israel as A COVENANT FOREVER.

In the Catholic Church, there is a lamp that burns continually near the tabernacle where the Eucharist is kept, behind a veil, in a golden tabernacle. During the Mass on the Lord's Day, it is placed on the altar, or table for sacrifice, with incense. And according to Jesus in Luke 22:19-20, the bread that is now become his body (his real PRESENCE) and the wine that is now become His blood is to be a memorial sacrificial meal for the New Covenant that also forgives sins. There are LOTS of parallels here between the Bread of the Presence and the Eucharist.

When Elijah was fleeing from Jezebel, he ate cake from heaven, and was able to survive for 40 days and 40 nights on it. And that is definitely a huge hint that those of us who eat bread from heaven at Mass have strength for the journey!

1 Kings 19:5-8: And he lay down and slept under a broom tree; and behold, an angel touched him, and said to him, "Arise and eat." And he looked, and behold, there was at his head a cake baked on hot stones and a jar of water. And he ate and drank, and lay down again. And the angel of the LORD came again a second time, and touched him, and said, "Arise and eat, else the journey will be too great for you." And he arose, and ate and drank, and went in the strength of that food forty days and forty nights to Horeb the mount of God.

Another Old Testament type is the Passover. In Exodus 12:7-8, God told Moses to mark the doors of the Jewish homes with the blood of the slain lamb, using a hyssop branch, and to eat the lamb, with bitter herbs, as well, so that they and their children could live, before finally leaving Egypt for the Promised Land. Just so, we are commanded by Jesus, the slain Lamb of the New Testament, to eat His body and to drink His blood, so that we can live forever in the real Promised Land, Heaven. Jesus was given bitter vinegar to drink during the crucifixion, with a hyssop branch. In Christianity, the Eucharist at Mass has replaced the Jewish Passover meal. The Church is now the new Israel. In none of the gospel narratives is an ovine passover lamb mentioned during the Last Supper. Why? Because Jesus is the Passover Lamb for all time. A lot of non-Catholics say that the Eucharist is only a symbol of Jesus, but no Jewish Passover would have been a real Jewish Passover unless the REAL Passover Lamb was eaten. That means that the bread and wine the apostles ate at the Last Supper had to be the REAL Passover Lamb, or Jesus. And the bread and wine we now consume at Mass is now the same Eucharist, or Jesus.

Another prefigurement of the Eucharist in the Old Testament is the manna from Heaven. In Exodus 16:4ff, God feeds the Israelites struggling in the desert with bread from Heaven. The Israelites were forbidden from storing more than one day’s supply of the manna (except for the day before the Sabbath), so that they would learn to trust in God’s providence. Just so, Jesus feeds us with the bread of heaven, His body and Blood, while we struggle in our lives, which can certainly resemble wandering in a desert at times. When we say the “Our Father” prayer – “Give us this day our daily bread”- we are asking God to give us the Eucharist daily, just like God gave the Jews in the desert their manna daily. Paul calls manna in the Old Testament "supernatural food" in 1 Corinthians 10:3, and how much more supernatural the Eucharist is, since all Old Testament types are imperfect and point to the perfect (Jesus) in the New Testament!

Even the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem points to the reality of His Body being the bread of life come down from heaven. Why? Because the name "Bethlehem" is a Jewish word that means "House of Bread." And after Jesus was born, Mary placed him in a manger, which is a feeding trough for sheep to come and eat out of!

In 1 Corinthians 15:45, Jesus is described as “the new Adam”, meaning that through Adam sin entered the world, and through Jesus salvation entered the world. However, there is more to it than that. Adam ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and died as a result. Conversely, Jesus was hanged on a tree (Acts 10:39); He commanded us to eat of the fruit of this tree (his Eucharistic flesh) at the Last Supper, so that we will live forever and never die.

In the New Testament, there are also several types of the Eucharist. At the wedding feast at Cana, in John 2, Jesus changes ordinary water into wine. Jesus describes himself as the bridegroom of the Church in Luke 5:34-35. It is no coincidence that His first public miracle took place at a wedding, where He changed one substance into another, thus prefiguring the transubstantiation of the wine into blood at the Last Supper. This is a prefigurement of the heavenly marriage supper of the Lamb, as told to us in Revelation 19:9.

In Revelation 3:20, it says:

Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

Catholics eat with Jesus (sharing a meal together in fellowship is very Jewish!) at every Mass!

Revelation 2:17 says that to him who conquers, Jesus will give him some of the "hidden manna." What is hidden manna? Manna is a Jewish term for "What's that?" The Jews didn't know what the white stuff on the ground was in the desert, and so they asked each other "What's that?", or "Manna?" But Revelation is very New Testament, and there is no more Old Testament Manna anymore. But for sure, there is the New Testament Eucharist, which does not look any different than a regular piece of bread - therefore, it can be described as "hidden manna."The Eucharist IS Jesus, who also didn't look any different from a regular man, and therefore his Godliness was "hidden" from the sight of man. The Pharisees never would have done to Jesus what they did if they could have seen who He really was. Similarly, Protestants and atheists who badmouth Catholics for believing in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist are guilty of profaning the body and blood of Jesus, hidden in the Eucharist. Why? Because they walk by sight, not by faith, whereas Catholics walk by faith, not by sight when it comes to the Eucharist (2 Corinthians 5:7).

Another example is the multiplication of the loaves, in John 6:11, where 5000 people were fed with only 5 barley loaves. Just as thousands were filled with just five loaves, Jesus feeds millions of believers throughout the centuries with his Eucharistic flesh.

At the Last Supper, in Matthew 26, Jesus held up the bread and said – “This IS my Body”. Notice He didn’t say –“This represents my Body”, or “This is a symbol of my Body”. Although curiously questioned by a former President of the US, the word “is” has a very definitive meaning. Jesus also said that his Body and Blood at the Last Supper was shed for mankind – Us. So it is also a sacrificial meal, in addition to being a memorial meal (do THIS in memory of me). And why was it shed? Jesus said it was for the remission of our sins. So the Eucharist is a sacrificial, memorial, and sin-forgiving meal for us. And "to remember" in the Bible is not like we think of it today. The good thief on the cross asked Jesus to "remember me in your Kingdom." No one believes that Jesus died, went to heaven, and then just thought about the good thief on the cross; rather, the term "remember me" means to be physically present! The exact scripture is as follows:

Matthew 26:26-28: Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is my body." And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

In the Old Testament, Exodus 24:8, Moses sealed the Covenant by sprinkling the Israelites with REAL BLOOD, not symbolic blood, and Jesus also sealed the New Covenant with REAL BLOOD, not symbolic blood.

Jesus goes to great lengths to tell his believers about the Eucharist. He mentions both the manna in the desert and the multiplication of the loaves as bread that only provided for temporal needs. He then explained that His body and blood was "real food", & would give us eternal life, not just fill our stomachs. The Jews who heard him said that it was a “hard saying”, and walked away. Why would they walk away and leave someone who they had seen raise the dead, multiply the loaves, cure the sick, walk on water, etc., if “eating his body” and “drinking his blood” was only a symbolic statement? They understood his meaning perfectly, that it was a literal statement, and not symbolic. To literally “eat someone’s flesh” and to “drink someone’s blood” was a pejorative term in those days, as seen in Isaiah 9:20, Jeremiah 46:10, and Deuteronomy 32:42. We know from Mark 4:34 that Jesus always explained his parables to his disciples, but here he did not explain anything. Why? Because John 6 is NOT a parable, but is telling us all about how He will give us His REAL FLESH TO EAT!

Jesus couldn’t have been more outspoken about the reality of the Eucharist being His actual body and blood. The key scriptures are as follows:

John 6: 30-66: So they said to him, "Then what sign do you do, that we may see, and believe you? What work do you perform? Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'" Jesus then said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven, and gives life to the world." They said to him, "Lord, give us this bread always." Jesus said to them, "I AM the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." They said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, `I have come down from heaven'?" Jesus answered them, "Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, `And they shall all be taught by God.' Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me. Not that any one has seen the Father except him who is from God; he has seen the Father. Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I AM the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I AM the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever." This he said in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum. Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, "This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?" But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at it, said to them, "Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you that do not believe." For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was that would betray him. And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him.

An important note is that "I AM" is the name of God, as told to Moses in Exodus 3:14. Here Jesus uses the name of God to say that "I AM (GOD is) the bread of life." Also notice above that if you eat Jesus' flesh and drink Jesus' blood, you abide in Him, and He in you. Why is this important? Because of

John 15:4-7: Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you.

Some people take John 6:63 as the scripture that negates everything that Jesus just said, because it says “the flesh is of no avail”. But scripture can’t contradict scripture, no matter how hard it is twisted out of context. John 6:63 talks about “the” flesh, or human flesh in general. In the rest of John 6, Jesus always refers to the necessity of eating “my” flesh, which is quite a distinction. To say that the real meaning of the above scriptures is that "Jesus flesh is useless", as some protestants do, is heresy. We are saved by the flesh of Christ sacrificed on the cross. And the rest of John 6:63 talks about his words being spirit and life. “Spirit” is not symbolic, as in “The Father, Son, and Holy “Symbolic”. The Spirit is just as real as He can be. In other parables that Jesus told, when there was a question as to the meaning of it, he very carefully explained it, as is the case of the sower and the seed (Luke 8:11). However, here, he explains nothing; he just turns to his twelve apostles and asks if they also want to leave him. Why? Because He meant it literally, not figuratively. There really was nothing to explain!

In 1 Corinthians 10:16-21, Paul says the following:

The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread. Consider the people of Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices partners in the altar? What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.

Here Paul talks about participating in the body and blood of Christ by receiving Holy Communion. This brings up an important point. The sacrifice of the Mass is not another sacrifice of Jesus; it is the same one repeated over and over again, through space and time. The key word is SACRIFICE, as in "This is my body...which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Verse 18 above mentions the Jews eating the sacrifice of the altar being partners. Of course, the old animal sacrifices of the altar have now been replaced by the one pure sacrifice of the altar, Jesus Christ, as foretold in Malachi 1:11. So many people just think of Communion as a memorial only, but it is much more than just a memorial. It is the unbloody sacrifice of Calvary.

Additionally, in verse 21 above, Paul talks about not partaking of the table of demons AND the table of the Lord. That is why the Church says that one must go to confession first and be absolved of any mortal sins before receiving Holy Communion.

St. Paul also speaks about the reality of Jesus' body and blood in the Eucharist, in 1 Corinthians 11:23-30:

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.

How can one profane the body and the blood of the Lord if the Eucharist is only a symbol? People can get sick and die if they do not discern the body of the Lord when they consume the Eucharist. They actually eat and drink judgment upon themselves. How can this be if it is only a symbol?

In Acts Luke 24, on the road to Emmaus, the resurrected Jesus appears to some disciples, but his identity is "hidden" from them. Then He discusses the scriptures that pertain to Him (the Liturgy of the Word), and then sits down to table and celebrates the breaking of the bread (the Liturgy of the Eucharist) with his disciples. At the moment of Consecration, the true identity of Jesus is made known to His disciples, and then he disappears (becomes "hidden"). So we see here that the Last Supper is misnamed, because in reality, the Last Supper was the First Eucharist, and at Emmaus one of the first things Jesus did was to celebrate Mass AGAIN with the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist, the 2 components of the Holy Mass! And the term "hidden manna" is now apparent as to its meaning - Jesus is "hidden", or truly present, in the Bread from Heaven!

The Eucharist is 5 parts. It is a
memorial
sacrificial
sin-forgiving
thanksgiving
meal

The effects of taking Holy Communion are as follows:
1. It unites us most intimately with Christ;
2. It increases sanctifying grace in us;
3. It weakens our evil inclinations;
4. It strengthens us in the practice of all virtues;
5. It cleanses us from venial sins;
6. It preserves us from mortal sins;
7. It is a pledge of eternal life.

The bottom line is that Jesus Himself commanded us to eat His body and to drink His blood, so that we can have eternal life. By ignoring this command of Jesus, or by downplaying its significance, we are putting our very souls at risk, not to mention the fate of the entire world. The devil hates the Eucharist, and is trying to desecrate it and degrade it every chance he gets. Just look at every country that has been taken over by evil atheist governments - one of the first things they do is kill priests and shut down churches. This happened in Nazi Germany, France during the Revolution, and in the Soviet Union. By adoring the Eucharist, and by consuming the Eucharist, we are following God’s instructions and helping Jesus to “destroy the works of the devil” (1 John 3:8). Remember - The Bible says that the devil goes around like a roaring lion trying to devour us. Evidently the devil wants us damned, so we can be his food, and spend our eternity in hell with him. Jesus, on the other hand, wants to be our food, so we can be blessed and attain eternal life with Him in Heaven. Consuming the Eucharist, the fruit of the tree known as the cross, or the Tree of Life, overcomes Adam eating the forbidden fruit from the tree known as the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Remember, a prayer said from the heart immediately after receiving Holy Communion is very powerful, because you and Jesus are one flesh at that time, so please don't take the time lightly after you receive Jesus in the Eucharist. And always remember to first seek the love of Christ, before asking for something.

And never forget that the Eucharist overcomes the 2 lies of satan told to Adam and Eve- "You will not die!" He said. Jesus says if we eat his flesh and drink His blood we will have life everlasting! "You shall be as gods," said satan. Jesus says that if you eat the Eucharist, He abides in you, and we in Him!


61 posted on 05/25/2015 9:00:21 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: metmom

The apostles ate Jesus at the last summer and Catholics eat Jesus at Mass. The early Christians believed in eating Jesus. What new-fangled ideas do you have that you reject eating Jesus? Even Martin Luther believed in eating Jesus.


62 posted on 05/25/2015 9:06:26 PM PDT by impimp
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

BTTT!


63 posted on 05/25/2015 9:08:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
I appreciate your efforts here. However the Eucharist is not what saves us.

If that were the case anyone could show up at mass and partake and by your definition they are saved,

In addition could an unbeliever who has not repented of their sins even partake??

Abraham believed God and he was declared righteous as were all the believers listed in Hebrews 11.

No one is saved apart from faith in Christ.

Did Peter or Paul ever say to have eternal life one must partake of the Eucharist?? No,

Paul made it clear that one has eternal life through faith in Christ.

Jesus made it clear in Jn 6 it was faith in Him that saves. Read the whole chapter in context to get the meaning.

64 posted on 05/25/2015 9:21:12 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: impimp; metmom
Flip flop number 2,345,987 on Luther going from the naughty list to the ok list.
65 posted on 05/25/2015 9:24:07 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid; ealgeone

Christ fulfilled the Old Testament.

Is the book of John in your Bible? Please turn to it.

John 6:26 and other quotes from John.

 

King James Bible
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

 

Jesus the Bread of Life
52Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?" 53So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.…

 
John 6:27
Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."

John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

 

And now from the RSV: John: various verses

RSV John 6:

27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of man will give to you; for on him has God the Father set his seal."

 35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst.

36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.

 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;

54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever."


66 posted on 05/25/2015 9:25:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: terycarl

There is a reason no one else does this......it’s not biblical!!!


67 posted on 05/25/2015 9:25:53 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Salvation
Jesus also said He was the good shepherd, the vine, the door. Do you believe He was literally a door made of wood? Being give me any of this He's like a door stuff either. He's either a real door or not based on catholic exegesis.

. Jn 6, all of it for that matter, is n my Bible. I suggest you read all of it to get the context n

68 posted on 05/25/2015 9:29:52 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; terycarl; Salvation
There is a reason no one else does this......it’s not biblical!!!

You didn't read my post. It is all biblical!!
69 posted on 05/25/2015 9:45:33 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

Amen — you took the words out of my mouth!


70 posted on 05/25/2015 9:50:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ealgeone

Amen.


71 posted on 05/26/2015 12:54:57 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: redgolum
I think I remember that Caesar burned Alexandria or part of it. They then moved to a temple called The Serapeum which was burned about 391 AD by Pope Theophilus’s decree. I may have misspelled some of these words and I think there were more instances of burning before the Pope's decree.
72 posted on 05/26/2015 1:12:46 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: redgolum

I think this is a fair question. The Catholic Church should be the Church that professes the one true Faith in unity. Unfortunately, the post Vatican II church seems to be missing this mark of Christ’s Church: unity.

Prior to Vatican II all “catholic” churches were....Catholic. No one would even see a need to ask the questions you have asked. And with Francis at the helm, the lack of unity is only getting worse.


73 posted on 05/26/2015 2:41:27 AM PDT by piusv
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To: BeadCounter

Thank you for the post and ping and sharing this beautiful story. You should post it as a separate thread.


74 posted on 05/26/2015 3:32:50 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NKP_Vet
Is the Catholic Church a Force for Good?

Well; it created Protestantism; so I guess the answer is YES!

75 posted on 05/26/2015 4:24:52 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Other than that, it was no more cruel or corrupt than any other system of it's time.

It mattereth not...

76 posted on 05/26/2015 4:25:56 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BeadCounter
Well, the Bible tells us all generations will call Mary blessed.

The bible FAILED to tell us all of the OTHER things that Mary will be called!

77 posted on 05/26/2015 4:27:39 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

The ‘church’ was influenced by the times; don’t you know...


78 posted on 05/26/2015 4:28:38 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
...was ABSOLUTELY a necessity in history for Christianity to survive...

It seems the church is dying today.

Should we bring back the rack?

79 posted on 05/26/2015 4:29:44 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
Catholics were glorifying God, praising His name and paying Him homage for 1,600 YEARS before the word protestant was defined...

Yup...

With excellent leadership; the church forged ahead...



Have I posted the Naughty Pope list yet???

80 posted on 05/26/2015 4:31:30 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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