Posted on 05/24/2015 1:57:09 PM PDT by RnMomof7
The one thing I can say about you is that you are persistent. I do love you, my separated brethren, and pray everyday especially for you. One day it will all make sense to you, but I guess it is not today.
God the Father speaks for God the Father as evidenced by Jesus’ teaching of Matthew 11:25, 16:17 and John 12:18 as examples.
And the Holy Spirit is sometimes (always?) God’s messenger as evidenced Matthew 16:17 and Luke 2:16 as examples.
Angels are also sometimes messengers as evidenced by Luke 1:19.
Us ordinary folks can be messengers too as evidenced by Matthew 10:19-20.
Regarding interpreting the Holy Bible, note that Luke 24:45 indicates that, regardless that Jesus’ disciples “knew” the OT Scriptures that Jesus still had to open the minds of his disciples to the Scriptures. Otherwise the message of the cross is perceived as nonsense to those who are perishing as evidenced by 1 Corinthians 1:8.
Do you know that there is no infallible commentary of the bible by the magisterium ?? They have only "interpreted a handful of scriptures.. so all you hear in your homilies, read in RC books or hear in a Bible study are all just their own personal interpretation of the scriptures.. Every priest, every "theologian" every teacher... his own pope just like protestants..
(for the first 300+ years when there was no written bible),
Make sure you tell Peter that..He said that Pauls written letters (epistles) were scripture
And make sure you tell that to Athanasius (b. 296)' Origen (b. 185'), Irenaeus (b. 130), Marcion* (b. 85), all of which had scriptures
“We have seen what happens when the papacy is ignored by Protestants.”
Better fix this...
“We have seen what happens when the Bible is ignored by the papacy.”
From 1 Corinthians 12
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?
31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.
God speaks, among other things, through the Body of Christ, each according to His Gifts
Excellent!
This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1869–1870, but had been defended before that, existing already in medieval theology and being the majority opinion at the time of the Counter-Reformation.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
One was not bound to accept a Romanist prophet until Vatican I ...it then became an article of faith ..a doctrine that Catholics must accept the foolishness that has flows from that "chair"
Every time the New Testament lists all of the disciples, it not only lists Peter first, it also titles him “first,” even though he was not the first disciple called or the first to arrive at the resurrection
So?? He was 1st among the apostles.. but how did he understand that ?
Acts 10:25When Peter entered, Cornelius met him, and fell at his feet and worshiped him. 26But Peter raised him up, saying, "Stand up; I too am just a man."
1 Peter 5: 1So I exhort the elders among you, mas a fellow elder and na witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed:
After Pentecost Peter no longer listed first, before that there was no system of church government ..
“Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.” (1 Corinthians 3:21-23)
James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. (gal2:9)
And do remember the seat of the new church was not Rome..it was Jerusalem where the 1st church council was held.. that was James church .. and as the head of the church in Jerusalem he was in charge of that council not Peter
...not “Catholics”
You’re wrong.
BINGO
If popes are infallible, then Peter can’t be the first pope because he failed quite often. Some times three times before the cock crowed in the morning.
No I love Catholics...I love them enough to spend time posting here so they can understand the deception they have been taught as fact... and hopefully send them to the Bible for the answer
GOD is more than capable to speak on HIS own behalf.
The secret is: Who is listening .. and if they are listening, what are they hearing that they believe is from GOD ..????????
After all, GOD provided scribes to give us a written proof of who HE is and what HE wants us to believe.
So, the KEY again is: Who is listening and if so, what are they hearing that is accurate.
Why do you believe we are wrong and you are right? How do you know for certain it is not reversed?
It's almost as if you read and understood the following passage -- and THEN DID SOMETHING about it:
(2Tim4:1-5)
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober- minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
(I added the emphasis - to help make the point)
I hope :)
In the Old Testament God spoke through a bunch of people.
2 Tim, again. Ch 2:15:
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.
(emphasis mine, same reason)
Also - Like the Bereans (Acts 17:11), (and speaking for myself here but I think RnMom would agree...) - I am not claiming to KNOW everything. I am constantly searching the Scriptures to PROVE what is right.
There is one Truth - and I am earnestly seeking it.
Because" God is not a God of confusion"(1 Corinthians 14:33)... Romanism and the Bible do not agree ...hands down the bible is the final authority as the infallible word of God.. He did not leave us with mysteries to solve or newly minted "prophecies " to follow.. He told us everything we need to know about Him, and how to be saved in His word..
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. (emphasis mine)
Three links....LOL!
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