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To: Carthego delenda est
If someone asks you personally to pray for them, maybe someone whom you really love who has a horrible injury, or is going through a crisis of some sort, do you stand firm in what you are preaching and tell them that no, you won’t pray for them because they need to approach His “Throne boldly” and do such for themself? Or are you at odds with your teachings, finding yourself praying for them, even though you teach that someone else, specifically Jesus’s mom, shouldn’t be asked to pray for them?

What is it with you people??? The issue is NOT asking someone to pray for you...The issue is you people praying to the mother of Jesus and devoting your lives to her...The issue is you people asking Mary to give you salvation, and mercy and hope...

You guys keep pretending this issue is never raised while the only response is, 'don't you ever ask someone to pray for you'???

Can you be honest enough to respond to the issue presented???

40 posted on 05/23/2015 3:48:36 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Sorry, Mary can’t give you salvation. She can ask her son to intercede - that’s all.


44 posted on 05/23/2015 5:00:39 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: Iscool
The issue is NOT asking someone to pray for you

Okay, so the whole issue of "going boldly to the throne of grace" is a red herring, because it's perfectly legitimate to ask someone else to "go boldly to the throne of grace" on your behalf.

That's what intercessory prayer is. Paul asked people for it; it's in the Bible.

Right? Have we at least established that? Does that mean the argument won't be made again, but are you admitting we're right as far as that goes?

...The issue is you people praying to the mother of Jesus and devoting your lives to her...The issue is you people asking Mary to give you salvation, and mercy and hope...

So suppose Mary were standing in front of you right now, and you asked her, "Mary, please give me salvation, and mercy, and hope!" What would she say?

I think she would say, "I have and I do and I will give you Salvation and Mercy and Hope. I gave Him to you at Bethlehem and at Calvary. Do whatever He tells you! (Jn 2:5)"

Authentic Marian devotion leads one to the feet of Jesus. It can't lead anywhere else and be authentic. Period.

51 posted on 05/23/2015 5:29:10 AM PDT by Campion
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