Posted on 05/22/2015 9:05:44 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Do you deny the mass is the self same sacrifice of the cross ?
We’ve ‘researched’ and POSTED Catholic doctrine here on FR.
CAtholics then jump in and say, “That ain’t the way it is!!”
We then wait to see “the way it is”.
Have I ever done that to you? If so, please give me the details so I can give a proper response.
Always good to read a scripture fully and in context
Context ...most likely written when Paul was in prison ..so he could not come and address the problems in the church he founded ...and so he writes to them , to encourage them to resolve their issues WITHOUT HIM
Phil 2:12So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; 13for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.…
Seemed verse 13 responds to your call for works
2 Cor 5:10-For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the body.
Remember the church at Corinth was not composed of only the saved ...The unsaved will appear for judgment of sin... The saved before the Bema seat for rewards.... Christ has paid for our sins..they are forgiven and Scripture promises us that God remembers them no more (Isa 43:25)
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Those that have never trusted in the finished work of Christ need to have great fear of that judgement ...
Oh?
Why?
No one OTHER than a priest can hand out the wafers; right?
Therefore some mumbo-jumbo MUST be involved: thus MAGICAL.
Mary's assumption...
Mary's alive in Heaven
Mary can hear prayers made to her
Mary has the POWER to get her son to listen to her
Mary really wants you to pray the rosary...
Need some more?
Well... are you saying that you’d actually CONSIDER a reply thoughtfully, rather than just dismiss it with loads of spit, vinegar, and theatrics?
Where on earth do Protestants GET this stuff? Is Pier 1 having a sale on straw men, or something?
Has ANY CAtolic ever don't that on FR?
I don’t believe I have. At least I try not to. If I have, please let me know.
Hebrews 6:4-6For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Are you sure you want to go there?
Because you can then explain to us how *fallen away Catholics* can *cross the Tiber*.
If you're going to say that one sin cancels the born again, then this verse says it's impossible to do it again.
And your verses have nothing to do with the salvation of the believer.
Sure we should take heed so that we don't fall, but falling doesn't mean losing our salvation. It just means stumbling and sinning, which EVERYONE does, having been born again notwithstanding.
Anyone who is truly saved is securely saved. He is born into the family of God and God does NOT disown him for sinning.
It's not on again off again salvation based on our performance. It's a Father's heart and a Father's love that understands that we are weak and continues to pour out His grace and mercy and forgiveness even in the face of occasional defiant rebellion.
“most likely”
according to you...
Sure, I’ll go there, with the proper interpretation:
4 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.
It makes a big difference!
“if they then commit apostasy”
I looked over many of your responses on these threads- even going back a month or so.
Your posts are complete, well-considered, and constrained to the topic, or the question that was asked of you.
I respect your manner and the quality of your responses.
Is that the official proper interpretation of that passage?
Where would that be found?
Please post the link to cite it, that it’s from the Vatican and is infallibly interpreted.
Thank you, kinsman. I appreciate your comments. I learned from the wonderful example reflected in the lives of my parents that we can have areas where we do not agree about our Christian faith but still love each other and respect our differences.
The link didn’t work for me but I went to the root, the homepage for EWTN - the Global Catholic Network.
There, I learned:
That the 3rd secret is still safe and there’s a good reason why Ratzinger hasn’t revealed it,
That various evangelical and Penticostal denominations have begun a program of spiritual warfare against the Catholic Church, and particularly against Marian devotion, which they claim is not Marian at all, but the worship of the Goddess Diane.
That there was “some confusion” about whether it was okay to say the rosary in front of the “Exposed Blessed Sacrament.”
And that “In the absence of some clear supernatural proof neither the local bishop or Rome is likely to approve an apparition.
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That’s good readin’
Is that an INFALLIBLE interpretation given by the magisterum ? Please produce the document containing it. If it is not from the magistrum it is simply the authors personal opinion and no more “accurate” than metmom’s or my interpretation
Take a look at post #17. It's a LONG list of threads posted BY Roman Catholics that proclaim the RC doctrines of the Mass and the Eucharist and many (most) of them are specifically designed to tell non-Catholics why we are wrong about it all and Catholics are right. There has been no shortage of FRoman Catholics expressing the SAME idea and plenty get mighty personal and lacking in Christian charity while doing so.
This may not bother you but, in the interest of equal time, RnMomof7 is justified AND helpful in posting articles that dispute such assertions. Think of it as a learning experience. ;o)
Okay...you know you just nuked the RC doctrines of confession and the Mass, don't you?
Yes I’m aware some Catholics here sneer at what they deem as Protestants and proclaim we live outside salvation
I don’t think it’s a majority of Catholics
But that misbehavior by those few doesn’t give me cause to condemn their mass which they hold dear
I’ve been to many masses with kinfolks even though I’m culture war SBC and occasional Pentecostal
What does amuse me is how northern Catholics here think all Protestants are so similar like its the 1500s to them still
I culturally have more in common with Who I wish was still pope Benedict than I do average UCC or UMC or PCUSA or Episcopal or Lutheran mainstream clergy
Far more....and admiration for him too
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