Posted on 05/20/2015 8:17:11 AM PDT by Salvation
“I have not had that experience.”
And to me you impute the intellectual torpor of contentment.
If you don’t know what a mediator is, you couldn’t possibly know what Paul was saying, nor whether your thinking is in concord therewith.
What is a mediator? If someone prays for me, is that person a mediator?>>>>>>
Here it is again.
1Timothy 2
5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:
If you are praying or if some one is praying for you Jesus Christ is still the only mediator.
Acts 4
12 Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.
“If you are praying or if some one is praying for you Jesus Christ is still the only mediator.”
Okay, so asking someone to pray for you does not constitute treating them as a mediator.
So far, so good.
Okay, so asking someone to pray for you does not constitute treating them as a mediator.
“That is the way I see it.”
And the souls alive in Heaven? Is asking them to pray for us treating them as mediators, whatever that turns out to mean?
And the souls alive in Heaven? Is asking them to pray for us treating them as mediators,
But the great professors of our time can not admit there is anything they do not know so what we have is a bunch of guess’s that are stated as fact.
If virgin Mary (God bless her) is praying for people, the Bible tells me nothing about it that I know of.
#13 of Luther's 95 Theses:
Death puts an end to all the claims of the Church; even the dying are already dead to the canon laws, and are no longer bound by them.
Many of the theses deal with the question of the church's reach beyond death on these matters, as if they become a "new" (post-death) way beyond Jesus as THE way (John 14:6).
For example, see theses 8 thru 13, 22, 25-26, 83, etc.
Of these, many deal specifically with the guilt of the dead (5, 6, 36, 76) or penalties accrued by the dead (10-12).
Well, either this author is ignorant of the place of grace (vs. works-righteousness, or other substitutionary "merits") in the 16th century Reformation, and it's hard to believe this level of ignorance actually abounds, or he is deliberately misrepresenting the 95 Theses. Which is it? Vast historical ignorance or deception?
Luther on grace alone: Luther on Grace Alone (Sola Gratia)
Thesis #58 references how "the merits" [context merits of Christ] "are always working grace in the inner man, and working the cross, death, and hell in the outer man."
#62: "The true treasure of the church is the Holy gospel of the glory and the grace of God."
#68: (Indulgences...referenced in #67) "are not to be compared with the grace of God and the compassion shown in the Cross."
IoW, when Jesus said "it is finished" from the cross, He used a common phrase of the day known to reference how a debt has paid in full.
No further Johann Tetzel type of debt installments were needed! (Tetzel: "You should know that all who confess and in penance put alms into the coffer according to the counsel of the confessor, will obtain complete remission of all their sins...Don't you hear the voices of your wailing dead parents and others who say, 'Have mercy upon me, have mercy upon me, because we are in severe punishment and pain. From this you could redeem us with a small alms and yet you do not want to do so.' Open your ears as the father says to the son and the mother to the daughter . . ., 'We have created you, fed you, cared for you, and left you our temporal goods. Why then are you so cruel and harsh that you do not want to save us, though it only takes a little? You let us lie in flames so that we only slowly come to the promised glory.' You may have letters which let you have, once in life and in the hour of death . . . full remission of the punishment which belongs to sin..."... See pp. 78-79 of The Role of Indulgences in the Building of New Saint Peter’s Basilica)
Hence, Luther begins to wrap up the 95 theses with this warning:
"Away, then, with those prophets who say to Christ's people, 'Peace, peace,' where in there is no peace." (#92) "Hail, hail to all those prophets who say to Christ's people, 'The cross, the cross,' where there is no cross. (#93)
This is really a funny statement by the author...stated as if it wasn't St. Peter's Basilica personal fund-raisers like Tetzel weren't behind how these "common folk" "came away" "with erroneous ideas."
'Twas the false prophets of Rome who were leading them astray like a pied piper!!!
Johann Tetzel: "You should know that all who confess and in penance put alms into the coffer according to the counsel of the confessor, will obtain complete remission of all their sins...Don't you hear the voices of your wailing dead parents and others who say, 'Have mercy upon me, have mercy upon me, because we are in severe punishment and pain. From this you could redeem us with a small alms and yet you do not want to do so.' Open your ears as the father says to the son and the mother to the daughter . . ., 'We have created you, fed you, cared for you, and left you our temporal goods. Why then are you so cruel and harsh that you do not want to save us, though it only takes a little? You let us lie in flames so that we only slowly come to the promised glory.' You may have letters which let you have, once in life and in the hour of death . . . full remission of the punishment which belongs to sin..."
See pp. 78-79 of The Role of Indulgences in the Building of New Saint Peter’s Basilica
But how do we measure God’s grace at the moment of a person’s death?
We can’t.
This is no longer the case with indulgences.
“If virgin Mary (God bless her) is praying for people, the Bible tells me nothing about it that I know of.”
Are there any miracles you believe in? Has anyone you know had a mystical experience, or been healed?
Are there any miracles you believe in? Has anyone you know had a mystical experience, or been healed?
That is why I have always said we do not know the half of it, but we should only preach from scripture which is plain and to the point.
So a priest is required for 'last rites', except when they aren't...
And Catholics MUST be baptized with water, except when they aren't...
How convenient, eh??? How many more of them you guys got???
This statement doesn't border on absurdity...It fell over the border...
Not at all...There is only one mediator...
1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
A person who prays for you is an intercessor...
It is rather that only the Catholic Church *does* offer the most complete and correct interpretation available from mortal man.
“This statement doesn’t border on absurdity...It fell over the border...”
Look, I am sorry for you. I really am. But you have shown that you have hardened your heart against the truth. I have nothing more to say to you.
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