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VATICAN BIG GOES HARD AGAINST U.S. TEA PARTY CLIMATE SKEPTICS
Breitbart ^ | May 19, 2015 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 05/19/2015 5:18:06 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: StormPrepper
Btw, you didn't answer the question...

REALLY???


261 posted on 05/25/2015 4:18:45 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Do you follow the book of Mormon?

What's to FOLLOW???

He doesn't even 'follow' what's plainly written in the D&C's!

Besides...


 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Reissued March 22, 2015
 
 
 
Remember to stay on our mantra: We ARE Christians!!

We've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!
 
We MUST keep the media constantly informed of those things the world considers christian.

We must NOT allow our MORMONness to show thru, as it has gotten a really bad rap thru history - lord only knows why...
 
Tommy
 
 


 

 

262 posted on 05/25/2015 4:21:46 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rbmillerjr; terycarl
No. But he could lead a mega church or a simple gathering in a house.



Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

263 posted on 05/25/2015 4:23:49 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
Btw, you didn't answer the question...

 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted
 

If the above link does NOT function; try THIS one.   Click on the second image.
 
http://mormontruthnews.blogspot.com/2006/10/robert-millet-former-dean-of-religious_01.html

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

 
 
 
 
 

264 posted on 05/25/2015 4:25:01 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
If you're going to, ironically, argue for or against the integrity of Scripture, which we know Mormons don't follow anyway, please learn something about how the Bible has been translated.

Likewise...





"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




265 posted on 05/25/2015 4:26:53 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Every...

foreign language 'translation' of the Book of Mormon has been a translation of a translation.

There are absolutely ZERO originals to looks at found anywhere in the vast archives of MORMONism.

266 posted on 05/25/2015 4:29:05 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
There are absolutely ZERO originals to look at...

Unless...

...you consider that Joseph Smith was a TRUE Prophet; wouldn't lie about anything and has accurately represented the information found on the Golden Plates; as seen here...




The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.



Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



 



What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


267 posted on 05/25/2015 4:32:21 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; teppe; Normandy; WilliamRobert; StormPrepper; reaganaut
Now Monson, the Living Prophet® could REALLY help out his cause by telling the WORLD just what is in the above picture.

After all, Mormons have been told and taught that each symbol was an entire word.

Therefore; we should get a listing of words that are found in the BoM; right?


Tom; couldya take a like time off from building malls and buying real estate and enlarging cattle farms to tend to the pesky matter that always seems to arise?

It would do MUCH to put some much needed credibility before the seekers out here in the world.

268 posted on 05/25/2015 4:37:02 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter

Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? James 3:11


269 posted on 05/25/2015 4:39:38 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (If Hitler, Nazi, OR...McCarthy are mentioned in an argument, then the argument is over!)
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To: stisidore

The goal posts or the time envelopes kept changing,,,Ie. If it doesn’t happen at this time...it will definitely happen at this time...” That is not God rendered prophecy. If God does it, it is 100 per cent accurate!


270 posted on 05/25/2015 4:43:23 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (If Hitler, Nazi, OR...McCarthy are mentioned in an argument, then the argument is over!)
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To: metmom
If you're going to, ironically, argue for or against the integrity of Scripture, which we know Mormons don't follow anyway,

No, -WE- don't. The Mormons are the only ones that actually follow ALL the scripture.

It's ironic that you say "ironically" and accuse me of arguing against the integrity of Scripture, when just before it you say this...

[metmom]Who ever said that God inspired the King James Version?

You actually caused me to do a double blink...grats.

[Sp]The law doesn't save. But if we do not keep the law we cannot be saved.

[metmom]That's speaking out of both sides of your mouth.


It's more or less called the Principle of Causation. The law doesn't save, Jesus does. But if we don't keep the law Jesus will not Save.

Matt 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


1 John 5:
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.


on and on...

Matthew 19:
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


Keeping the law doesn't get you saved or keep you saved.

Even when Jesus Himself says that if you don't keep the commandments (which is the laws of God) you won't be saved, you won't accept it. Well...good luck with that.

Grace and mercy come through the Son. The law was already in effect in the OT. If salvation could be by the law, Christ died for nothing.

You're very very confused about a lot of different things. You claim entwining of the Holy Spirit and scriptures and whatever...but in truth you don't really have the faintest clue who Jesus Christ is or what His mission was....and that's very sad.


271 posted on 05/25/2015 7:02:57 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: mdmathis6
Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? James 3:11

I don't know if St. Catherine of Siena commented on James.

272 posted on 05/26/2015 7:57:44 AM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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