I hear that it can be done different ways...
Posted on 05/19/2015 5:18:06 PM PDT by ebb tide
Elsie, Metmom, MHG, check out 236.
Whoo hoo. Good job.
As always well done and thank you!!
I've heard that an ENTIRE RELIGION was build upon a fella this was addressed to.
Interesting; eh?
It's pretty typical with that individual and his guru for that matter.
I see you guys are awake. It is after 8 PM here. Later.
You can argue all you want that it's not true, but you'll have to take it up with the Holy Spirit who told us that.
And how is the difference in wording significant?
It says the same thing.
The purpose of the Law was to bring us/lead us to Christ.
It was NOT given so that by keeping it we could be saved.
I hear that it can be done different ways...
I've heard that Mormonism says the KJV bible is suspect.
Why does SLC still use it?
It DOES have an alternate.
You might have a point...
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Text |
Original 1830 Edition, Book of Mormon |
Editions 1837, 1888, 1920, 1964, 1978 |
Title page |
Joseph Smith, Jr. The author and proprietor of this work |
Joseph Smith, Jr. the translator of this work |
Title page |
now if there be fault, it be the mistake of men... |
now if there are faults, they are the mistakes of men... |
1 Ne 13:40 |
the lamb of God is the Eternal Father |
the lamb of God is the son of the Eternal Father |
1Nephi 11:21 |
the Eternal Father |
son of the Eternal Father |
1 Nephi 11:32 |
the Everlasting God |
son of the Everlasting God |
1 Nephi 20:1 |
words added |
or out of the waters of Baptism |
2 Nephi 12:9 |
the mean man boweth down |
the mean man boweth not down |
Alma 29:4 |
Yea, decreeth unto them decrees which are unalterable |
words deleted |
Alma 37:21,24 |
directors |
Interpreters |
Alma 30:16 |
it is the effects of a phrensied mind |
it is the effect of a frenzied mind |
Throughout B of M |
now there was seven churches |
now there were seven churches |
Throughout B of M |
there were no blood to shed |
there was no blood to shed |
Throughout B of M |
there is two churches |
there are two churches |
Throughout B of M |
and also much horses |
and also many horses |
Throughout B of M |
these things had not ought to be |
these things ought not to be |
Throughout B of M |
as I was a journeying |
as I was journeying ("a" removed) |
Throughout B of M |
They did prepare for to meet them |
They did prepare to meet them ("for" removed) |
Throughout B of M |
some have arrested the scriptures |
some have wrested the scriptures |
Throughout B of M |
when they had arriven |
when they had arrived |
Throughout B of M |
having no respects to persons |
having no respect to persons ("s" removed) |
Throughout B of M |
they had fell into great errors |
they had fallen into great errors |
Throughout B of M |
which was wrote upon the plates |
which was written upon the plates |
Throughout B of M |
they were exceeding fraid |
they were exceedingly afraid |
Throughout B of M |
they had began to possess the land |
they had begun to possess the land |
Throughout B of M |
this they done that they might provide food |
this they did that they might provide food |
Alma 23:1 |
nor neither of their brethren |
nor either of their brethren |
Mosiah 21:28; Ether 4:1 |
king Benjamin |
Mosiah (Benjamin was dead at this time) |
1 Nephi 12:18 |
Jesus Christ |
Messiah (Jesus had not yet been revealed to the Nephites) |
1 Nephi 20:1 |
come forth out of the waters of Judah |
or out of the waters of baptism (these words added after "Judah" |
2 Nephi 16:2 |
seraphims |
seraphim (verse copied from older copy of KJV which made a gramatical error) |
Bore, bear, bare: who could care?
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JOSEPH SMITH TRANSLATION - REVELATION
Revelation 1:1–81 The Revelation of John, a servant of God, which was given unto him of Jesus Christ, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass, that he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John, 2 Who bore record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed are they who read, and they who hear and understand the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein, for the time of the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. 4 Now this is the testimony of John to the seven servants who are over the seven churches in Asia. Grace unto you, and peace from him who is, and who was, and who is to come; who hath sent forth his angel from before his throne, to testify unto those who are the seven servants over the seven churches. 5 Therefore, I, John, the faithful witness, bear record of the things which were delivered me of the angel, and from Jesus Christ the first begotten of the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth. 6 And unto him who loved us, be glory; who washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God, his Father. To him be glory and dominion, forever and ever. Amen. 7 For behold, he cometh in the clouds with ten thousands of his saints in the kingdom, clothed with the glory of his Father. And every eye shall see him; and they who pierced him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 For he saith, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 2:26–2726 And to him who overcometh, and keepeth my commandments unto the end, will I give power over many kingdoms; 27 And he shall rule them with the word of God; and they shall be in his hands as the vessels of clay in the hands of a potter; and he shall govern them by faith, with equity and justice, even as I received of my Father. Revelation 12:1–171 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne. 4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born. 5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years. 6 And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought against Michael; 7 And the dragon prevailed not against Michael, neither the child, nor the woman which was the church of God, who had been delivered of her pains, and brought forth the kingdom of our God and his Christ. 8 Neither was there place found in heaven for the great dragon, who was cast out; that old serpent called the devil, and also called Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth; and his angels were cast out with him. 9 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ; 10 For the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 For they have overcome him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; for they loved not their own lives, but kept the testimony even unto death. Therefore, rejoice O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. 12 And after these things I heard another voice saying, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth, yea, and they who dwell upon the islands of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 For when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 Therefore, to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might flee into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent casteth out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helpeth the woman, and the earth openeth her mouth, and swalloweth up the flood which the dragon casteth out of his mouth. 17 Therefore, the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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KJV – REVELATION
Revelation 1:1–8
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 2:26–27 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Revelation 12:1–171 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. King James Version of the Holy Bible
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What planet are you from? Who ever said that God inspired the King James Version?
If you're going to, ironically, argue for or against the integrity of Scripture, which we know Mormons don't follow anyway, please learn something about how the Bible has been translated.
Do you follow the book of Mormon?
Do you not already think the Bible is not correct? Then how can you chastise someone else over what you perceive as an *incorrect* translation of any verse?
The law doesn't save. But if we do not keep the law we cannot be saved.
That's speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
Keeping the law doesn't get you saved or keep you saved.
Keeping the law does not contribute one iota to salvation.
Heavenly Father gave the law through His Son, then commanded everyone to follow it. Surely you're not claiming that we can ignore the law and be saved anyways are you?
Grace and mercy come through the Son. The law was already in effect in the OT. If salvation could be by the law, Christ died for nothing.
Btw, you didn't answer the question, is the Bible the final authority or not?
Yes, Scripture is the final authority.
“They declared Adam and Eve to be “metaphors” a long time ago.”
Incorrect.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church
# 375 The Church, interpreting the symbolism of biblical language in an authentic way, in the light of the New Testament and Tradition, teaches that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were constituted in an original “state of holiness and justice”. This grace of original holiness was “to share in. . . divine life”.
# 390 The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.
“Could Bruce Jenner ever be pope?”
No. But he could lead a mega church or a simple gathering in a house.
You're missing the point, if God inspired Joseph Smith to CORRECT the King James version, then God wanted it that way.
So...
Why DOESN'T Mormonism actually USE what GOD wanted?
Why is the INSPIRED VERSION like Holy Water to Dracula?
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