Can Christians Lose Their Salvation?

Christian Post ^ | 05/14/2015 | Shane Idleman

[Elsie]

One thing I can say for certain is they wouldn't have believed in sola scriptura,

Yes; you MAY say it with certainty; but it certainly does NOT mean that they dis-believed it.

[Elsie]

One thing I can say for certain is they wouldn't have believed in sola scriptura,

Strangely; a Messenger from GOD told an angel to tell John to WRITE the message down: seven times.

Here is just one...

Revelation 2:1

“To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:

[Elsie]

... come up with the idea of handling live snakes in church, ...

HMMMmmm...

Rome made SURE that this verse was in the Bible:

Mark 16:18
They shall take up serpents;

[Elsie]

What I have not seen anyone say or ask, is if one can lose their salvation, after getting it, is it possible to regain it the second time, then lose it and regain it numerous times? Or, do they think once they have lost it, that they can never regain it again?

Hasn't Hebrews 6:4-6 been mentioned a LOT of times in this thread already?

[Elsie]

They had that and that was enough for people to verify Paul's teachings with and for people to recognize who Jesus was.

The Bereans SEARCHED the Scriptures to see if what they were TOLD matched up with the Word.

Why do we Prots get such scorn heaped upon us for doing exactly the same thing?

[Elsie]

So if you lie to someone tomorrow are you still saved?

Is this a Hand-in-the-Cookie-Jar question?

[Elsie]

So, you can go through life committing sin after sin and you are forgiven?

Well; after 490 plus ONE sins you'll be in REALLY big trouble!

[Elsie]

Bruce: not John...

[Elsie]

The Ideal?

Or the Actual??

[Mark17]

Why do we Prots get such scorn heaped upon us for doing exactly the same thing?

I am not sure, but I will take a guess. Maybe they figure the scriptures will take people away from the RCC, and they don't want the competition?

[BillyBoy]

>> Strangely; a Messenger from GOD told an angel to tell John to WRITE the message down: seven times. <<

Strangely, the Messenger from GOD didn't tell an angel to tell John to NOT use oral TRADITION after writing the message down. Hence, the angel was not promoting the idea of SOLA scriptura. SOLA sciptura wasn't promoted until after the printing press was invented. Scripture AND Tradition, on the other hand, existed during the time of the Old and New Testament, and was used by Jews and Christians alike.

[BillyBoy]

>> So whatever happened to *one Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM*??? <<

Baptism happens only once in your life. If you've had a legitimate baptism in another Christian denomination and then convert to Catholic, you CANNOT be rebaptized. To baptize someone another time would be meaningless since the first baptism permanently removes original sin.

You can, however, be CONFIRMED in the Catholic Church. This is a separate sacrament and does not involve the pouring of the water. It does NOT remove original sin, but ratherm it fills the person with the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

[Mark17]

However, those verses in Hebrews 6 are not aimed at the believer. They are aimed at those Jews who had not fully embraced Christianity

That is my understanding too. The writer was quick to say, but beloved, we are persuaded better things of you. (Hebrews 6:9a) I don't buy this stuff about being required to work to maintain our salvation either. Then it becomes a works based religion. I already left a works based religion. I have no desire to go back to it.

[Mark17]

Isn’t that Lily Tomlin, forwarding all those prayers to Mary?

[DungeonMaster]

How do they get salvation in the first place? How do they maintain it, if at all? How does one stop being a Christian? Does one decide, that today I am saved and I will go to Heaven, but later today, I will determine they I no longer wish to be saved, and I would rather suffer untold agony, in liquid flame for all eternity? If it is not an instant decision to choose to go to eternal Hell, is it a progression, and if do, which sin do I commit that determines the exact second that I lose my salvation? Let's say, a few months later, I decide I don't want to go to an eternal Hell with all it's many horrors, and I wish to be saved again, and go to Heaven? Can I regain my salvation again, or am I out of luck? Can I regain and lose my salvation an unlimited number of times? Is there an unlimited number of times I can do this, or only a certain number of times, before I am lost and can never get it back again? Serious problems, no?

Wow Mark17, your brain works just like mine does. Are you into math and/or physics by any chance?

I got saved while in the Army on TDY in Honduras. I was a serious atheist when I joined and right up until I asked a Christian Captain "What do I have to do go to heaven?". He said "Believe in Jesus". I asked "And what else". He said "If you believe you will be saved". I asked "What would I even call myself if I did?". I was that ignorant about all things Christian. He said "If you believe just call yourself a Christian".

I turned around, walked away and in about 20 steps, like a bolt of lightning, the words "IT'S TRUE!" entered my mind.

I was given eternal life via the Holy Spirit at that instant.

For the next 2ish years my #1 worry was "Can I die again?".

Then I met a Christian from a group that was an offshoot of John Darby. "The Tunbridge Wells Plymoth Brethen". The man knew the bible better than any other I've met since and he explained to me about election and security. It's a very important doctrine to me. I keenly remembered my lost state that I had been in for my first 22 years and I feared going back to that state of being dead.

Thank God for his gift of grace through faith. I have nothing to boast, it is all Him.

[Mark17]

Therefore it should have been PERFECT in every way (so I've been told).

Only Mary Poppins was perfect in every way. 😂😎😇

[newgeezer]

Amen, brother!

[Iscool]

You can, however, be CONFIRMED in the Catholic Church. This is a separate sacrament and does not involve the pouring of the water. It does NOT remove original sin, but ratherm it fills the person with the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

And this is based on what??? Aesop???

[Mark17]

Interesting story. I was raised as a catholic but I was saved in the USAF, led to the Lord by the Navigators, at Mountain Home AFB, ID, and they grounded us well in the Bible. I was baptized in the swimming pool at Bien Hoa Air Base, Vietnam, even though I guess I was infant sprinkled, but I am not sure, because I was too young to remember. 😁 I am not into physics, and the deepest I ever got into math, was to remember we stacked airplanes a thousand feet apart vertically to keep them separated. ✈️ We got em up and we got em down. We got pretty good at it too. Later, I counted criminals several times a day. ➕➗➖✖️

[Resettozero]

Maybe they figure the scriptures will take people away from the RCC...

Rome = awesome mega bucks. Honkin' beeg. A load. Mucho.